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66 Jahre Genozid an Cam-Albanern

Erstellt von Fan Noli, 25.06.2010, 14:39 Uhr · 406 Antworten · 24.061 Aufrufe

  1. #131

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    Zitat Zitat von Arvanitis Beitrag anzeigen
    Das englischsprachige Wikipedia ist mitunter das seriöseste was es gibt. Die Quellenangeben werden Satzweise verlinkt.
    ne du lügst du sagst ja auch arvaniten wären griechen hahahahaha

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    verbreschen beginnen ab 1912 und nicht von '45 .
    In 1945 var das letzte , auserdem habt ihr zwei doku-video in die letzten seiten von mir, die eine ist in eure sprache von eure parlament , und die andere von eine ex-Deutche nazis als augenzeuge ..

    Albania declared its independence in November 1912, but the country’s southern border was long undefined. Fighting erupted, with Greek forces trying to get as much of the disputed territory as they could. An International Control Commission was created to define the Albanian-Greek border, and Greek forces were subsequently forced to withdraw to the present border, but not before wreaking terrible destruction on southern Albania and Chameria, now in northern Greece.
    In “The Epirus Question,” published originally in French, Albanian publicist and political figure, Mid’hat bey Frashëri (1880-1949) vents his anti-Greek passions in denouncing the ravaging and destruction of much of southern Albania by Greek military and paramilitary forces, a calamity that he seems to have experienced at first hand.
    Known by his pen name Lumo Skendo, Mid’hat bey Frashëri was the son of Rilindja politician and ideologist Abdyl bey Frashëri and nephew of the equally illustrious Naim bey Frashëri and Sami bey Frashëri. He is thought to have been born in Janina (Iôannina) and, from 1883, was raised in Istanbul where his family was the focus of the nationalist movement. From 1905 to 1910, having given up his studies of pharmacology, he worked for the Ottoman administration in the vilayet of Salonika. In July 1908, now using the pen name of Lumo Skendo, he began publishing the weekly newspaper “Lirija” (Freedom) in Salonika, which lasted until 1910. He presided over the Congress of Monastir in 1908, and in January of the following year began editing a monthly magazine entitled “Diturija” (Knowledge), an illustrated periodical of cultural, literary and scholarly interest.
    Mid’hat bey’s political activities took on a more nationalist character during the Balkan Wars and the final collapse of the Ottoman Empire when Albania was on the verge of being carved up by its Balkan neighbours. After the declaration of independence in November 1912, he became his country’s first minister of public works, and later Albanian consul general in Belgrade and postmaster general. At the start of World War I, he was interned in Romania for a time, but after his release, he returned to publishing. Mid’hat bey resided in Lausanne for a time with his cousin Mehdi bey Frashëri, where he was author of a number of newspaper articles and essays. On 25 November 1920, he was appointed chairman of the Albanian delegation to the Paris Peace Conference, where he remained until 1922. In Paris he continued his journalistic activities in the French press to publicize Albania’s position in the postwar restructuring of Europe. He subsequently held other ministerial posts and was Albanian ambassador to Greece and to the United States from 1922 to 1926.
    Under the Zog dictatorship, Mid’hat bey abandoned public life and opened a bookstore in Tirana in 1925. He himself possessed an exceptionally large private library of some 20,000 volumes, the largest collection in the country at the time. At the end of 1942, he re-entered the political arena, at the age of 82, to fight the Axis occupation, and was named leader of the republican resistance organization “Balli Kombëtar”. In the autumn of 1944, with the communist victory apparent in Albania, he fled to southern Italy. The early years of the cold war found Mid’hat bey Frashëri in the West trying to patch together a coalition of anticommunist opposition forces in Britain and the United States. In August 1949, he was elected as head of a Free Albania Committee. He died of a heart attack at the Lexington Hotel on Lexington Avenue in New York.



    Crown Prince Constantine of Greece
    entering Janina. 1913



    To the Reader:

    On the shores of the Adriatic in southern Europe, there is a country called Albania. Until 1912 it was part of Turkey-in-Europe. During the Balkan War, the country declared its independence at a national congress that assembled in Vlora on 28 November. The Conference of the Ambassadors in London confirmed its independence, declaring that Albania was a neutral State and placing it under the protection of the six Great Powers.
    The population of this Albania was not much over one million. Another million and a half Albanians remained outside the borders of the Albanian State, and were divided up by the Greeks, Serbs and Montenegrins. The million inhabitants within the kingdom of Albania consist of Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims who want only to live their lives in peace under the European and Christian king that they wanted and who was finally selected for them by the Great Powers.
    But the life and happiness of the Albanians on their little patch of land offended their neighbours - the Greeks, Serbs and Montenegrins, who coveted all of Albanian land, down to the last patch, and whose wish it was to have all Albanians disappear from the face of the earth.
    In the following text, we will tell the story of one chapter in the history of this land lusted after by Albania’s very Christian neighbours. Our two rich and prosperous provinces in the south have been reduced to rubble. The entire population, who lived peacefully and wanted no more than to live on the land of their ancestors, has been decimated. Neutral Albania under the protection of the six Great Powers has been torn apart and ravaged by Greece. It is a crime without parallel because it is the result of perfidy and dishonesty. The catastrophe is not the result of a war. It is not in the heat of battle that our villages were reduced to ashes and our men (and women and children) were massacred. It was with composure and deliberate intent that these acts of inhumanity were carried out.
    And yet, these horrors have been ignored, barely noticed. Very few people in the civilised world have been shocked by them. Some have even applauded and endeavoured to justify them as attributes of Greek civilisation.

    The Epirus Question

    In the summer of 1913, Zographos, the Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs, who was governor of Janina at the time, pronounced the following words of human kindness at a dinner given for Albanian leaders from Janina and other districts, words of divine grace: “Do not harbour any illusions. Even if we are forced to abandon Epirus, we will leave nothing behind but the soil. Everything growing on it will be razed.” (1)
    Having learned in my childhood to believe that everything the Greeks said was lie and deceit, I regarded this, once again, as nothing but an empty threat. Yet Zographos proved to be a man of character and honesty in his profession as a freebooter. He kept his promise.
    The Conference of the Ambassadors in London took no decision on Albania’s southern border. It decided to transfer the matter to an international commission that was to visit the region and establish the border in line with the ethnic composition of the regions in question. The commission soon arrived in Korça (Korytsa), composed of representatives of the six Great Powers. It travelled down the country from that town to the sea, passing through Kolonja, Përmet, Leskovik, Gjirokastra and Delvina. When it completed its work, it departed for Florence and drafted a protocol that confirmed the purely Albanian character of the districts it visited.
    Greece used whatever tricks it could to deceive the commission, and indeed, the “Greeks” were in fine form here! In Kolonja, for example, the Greek authorities hastily carted purely Greek families in from other regions, and with great zeal endeavoured to get the commission to believe that the native population was Greek. A ridiculous comedy.
    Another example of Greek trickery was played out in the village of Qinam in Kolonja where the commission was to arrive in the evening.

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    The Visit of General De Veer to Kodra

    On 14 May, a few days after my arrival in Tepelena, I (De Veer) visited Kodra in the company of the physician, Dr. De Groot. The air in the village reeked of the bodies of cows and sheep, all in an advanced state of decomposition.




    Site of the massacre of Kodra,
    29 April 1914 (Photo: Carel De Iongh).


    South of the village there is a little church which had doubtlessly been used as a jail. The walls and floor in it were tainted with blood. There were blood-drenched clothes and fezzes everywhere. The doctor pointed out the remains of human brains. A blood-stained rope was hanging from the ceiling where the altar had once been.
    The little wooden door of the church was riddled with holes, and the cartridges in front of the door made it clear to visitors how the holes got there. By removing a few tiles from above the door, one could see two oblong openings, both filled with cartridges.
    Behind the church there was a large pit and it was not difficult to recognise the shapes of human bodies under the thin layer of sand. Lower down, in front of the church, I saw a few bodies in a little pit.
    To the east of the village, there is a small house surrounded by trees. Near one of the trees, I could clearly see a pit of about 15 metres in length where the earth was drenched with blood, and under the tree there were still pools of blood. At a distance of 50 to 100 metres from this tree, we visited three large and one small pit. In one of the large pits, we saw the corpse of a headless woman.
    The bodies had been hastily buried. In order to prevent the spread of disease, Dr. De Groot ordered the bodies to be removed from one of the pits so that it could be dug deeper and the bodies reburied properly. A horde of gypsies began this dismal undertaking on 16 May.
    The same day, the commission visited Kodra. It inspected the two pits (a and b) that had been emptied. The one behind the church (a) contained 34 bodies, several of which with fractured skulls. Nineteen bodies were found in the second opened pit (b), several of which with fractured skulls.
    As the physician decided that it was not necessary to open the other pits since they were deep enough, the commission completed its work. One of the pits (c) had earlier been used to make cement. It was 4-5 metres deep. Being filled for the most part with human remains, it must have contained about 100 corpses.
    The other pits contain 34, 2, 19, 20 and 20 bodies respectively. A total of 195.
    With this report, I have the honour of submitting to the Commission a list of names of the people presumably killed in Kodra (annexed to his report is a list of 217 names).
    Tepelena, 19 May 1914
    Lieutenant-General De Veer
    Physician, Major F. De Groot
    Captain De Iongh

  4. #134
    Arvanitis
    Zitat Zitat von Crazy_Kosovar Beitrag anzeigen
    diese buch ist doch der grösste scheiss nur weil so ein behinderter autor der null ahnung hat irgendetwas daher schreibt glaubt ihr es automatisch du hast vorhin auch irgendwas gepostet das in dem buch drin stant das die camen freiwillig gegangen sind naja
    Negativ , dies ist ein seriöses Geschichtsbuch eines unparteiischen Nichtgriechen der Berichte von Deutschen, Italiener und Griechen aus dem Militär rezitiert.

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    Kannst es zusammenfassen, Arber?

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    Jehona_e_Rahovecit
    Zitat Zitat von Thrakian Beitrag anzeigen
    Following the Italian invasion of Albania, the Albanian Kingdom became a protectorate of the Kingdom of Italy. The Italians, especially governor Francesco Jacomoni, used the Cham issue as a means to rally Albanian support. Although in the event, Albanian enthusiasm for the "liberation of Chameria" was muted, Jacomoni sent repeated over-optimistic reports to Rome on Albanian support. As the possibility of an Italian attack on Greece drew nearer, he began arming Albanian irregular bands to use against Greece.[9]

    As the final excuse for the start of the Greco-Italian War, Jacomoni used the killing of a Cham Albanian leader Daut Hoxha, whose headless body was discovered near the village of Vrina in June 1940. It was alleged by the Italian-controlled government in Tirana that he had been murdered by Greek secret agents. Daut Hoxha was a notorious bandit killed in a fight over some sheep with two shepherds. According to some other specific works Hoxha was a military leader of the Cham struggle during the inter-war years, leading to him branded as a bandit by the Greek government.[10]
    Ein albanischer Hirte namens Daut Hoxha wurde von Griechen ermordet und die Italier nutzten dies als Vorwand um gegen Griechenland ein Krieg zu führen.
    Behauptet wird dass dieser Daut Hoxha ein Führer einer Bande gewesen sei.

    Zitat Zitat von Thrakian Beitrag anzeigen
    From June of that same year up to the eve of the war, due to the instigation of Albanian and Italian propaganda, many Chams had secretly crossed the borders in order to compose armed groups, which were to side with the Italians. Their numbers are estimated of about 2,000 to 3,000 men. Adding to them in the following months the Italians urgently started organizing several thousand local Albanians volunteers to participate on the "liberation of Chamuria" creating an army equivalent to a full division of 9 battalions (4 blackshirt battalions -Tirana, Korçë, Vlorë, Shkodër-, 2 infantry battalions -Gramos and Dajti-, 2 volunteer battalions -Tomori and Barabosi-, one battery corps -Drin-[11]). All of them eventually took part in the invasion to Greece at October 28, 1940 (see Greco-Italian War) under the XXV Italian Army Corps which after the incorporation of the Albanian units renamed to “Chamuria Army Corps” under General C. Rossi, although with poor performance [12].
    Die Zahl der albanischen Soldaten war sehr klein und sie waren sehr schlecht ausgerüstet und ihr Kampfmoral gering.

    Zitat Zitat von Thrakian Beitrag anzeigen
    The Greco-Italian War started with the Italian military forces launching an invasion of Greece from Albanian territory. The invasion force included several hundred native Albanian and Chams in blackshirt battalions attached to the Italian army. Their performance however was distinctly lackluster, as most Albanians, poorly motivated, either deserted or defected. Indeed, the Italian commanders, including Mussolini, would later use the Albanians as scapegoats for the Italian failure.[9]
    Hier steht doch dass es ein Griechisch-Italienischer Krieg war und kein Albanisch-Griechischer Krieg.
    Die rekrutierten Albaner aus Albanien und Cameria waren sehr demotiviert und wollten nicht kämpfen.Mussolini gab ihnen die Schuld für den verlorenen Krieg.
    Albaner seien für die Niederlage des Krieges gewesen, so Mussolini.
    Zitat Zitat von Thrakian Beitrag anzeigen
    These two Albanian battalions, namely, battalion Tomorri and Gramshi, were formed in the Italian army only three months before the invasion, and during the Greco-Italian War, the majority of them crossed to the Greek Army. The leader of these two battalions, Spiro Moisiu, would become the general in chief of the Albanian Anti-Fascist Army, and eventually a head of the Albanian Army after the war.[13]
    Die zwei bedeutendsten albanischen Batallion, die von der Italiern drei Monate nach der Invasion auf Griechenland gegründet worden waren hießen Gramshi und Tomorri.
    Die Mehrheit der Soldaten dieser Batallione schlug sich auf die Seite der Griechen.
    Der General eines dieser Batallione hieß Spiro Moisiu und wure zum Führer der Ant-Faschistischen Armee und Führer der albanischen Armee während des Krieges.

    Zitat Zitat von Thrakian Beitrag anzeigen
    wiki kann ich auch posten, schau mall
    Poste doch mal den Link zu Wiki.
    In dem Text den du gepostet hast, wird doch nichts schlechtes über die Albaner gesagt sondern nur gutes.
    Zu keinem Zeitpunkt haben albanische Soldaten Griechen ermordet.
    Das Gegenteil haben sie getan in dem sie sich auf der Seite der Griechen geschlagen haben und gegen die italienischen Faschisten gekämpft.
    Also haben die Albaner gegen die Nazis gekämpft.
    Wo liegt den eur Problem?
    Mit diesem Text hast du doch nur dass gezeigt was ich die gesamte Zeit geschrieben habe.

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    Arvanitis
    Arber kannst du mir bitte den Link posten? Danke.

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    Zitat Zitat von Arvanitis Beitrag anzeigen
    Arber kannst du mir bitte den Link posten? Danke.
    1915 | Mid?hat bey Frashri: The Epirus Question - the Martyrdom of a People

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    Zitat Zitat von Arvanitis Beitrag anzeigen
    Negativ , dies ist ein seriöses Geschichtsbuch eines unparteiischen Nichtgriechen der Berichte von Deutschen, Italiener und Griechen aus dem Militär rezitiert.
    glaub ich nicht du bist ein lügner

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    Zitat Zitat von Jehona_e_Rahovecit Beitrag anzeigen
    Ein albanischer Hirte namens Daut Hoxha wurde von Griechen ermordet und die Italier nutzten dies als Vorwand um gegen Griechenland ein Krieg zu führen.
    Behauptet wird dass dieser Daut Hoxha ein Führer einer Bande gewesen sei.


    Die Zahl der albanischen Soldaten war sehr klein und sie waren sehr schlecht ausgerüstet und ihr Kampfmoral gering.


    Hier steht doch dass es ein Griechisch-Italienischer Krieg war und kein Albanisch-Griechischer Krieg.
    Die rekrutierten Albaner aus Albanien und Cameria waren sehr demotiviert und wollten nicht kämpfen.Mussolini gab ihnen die Schuld für den verlorenen Krieg.
    Albaner seien für die Niederlage des Krieges gewesen, so Mussolini.

    Die zwei bedeutendsten albanischen Batallion, die von der Italiern drei Monate nach der Invasion auf Griechenland gegründet worden waren hießen Gramshi und Tomorri.
    Die Mehrheit der Soldaten dieser Batallione schlug sich auf die Seite der Griechen.
    Der General eines dieser Batallione hieß Spiro Moisiu und wure zum Führer der Ant-Faschistischen Armee und Führer der albanischen Armee während des Krieges.



    Poste doch mal den Link zu Wiki.
    In dem Text den du gepostet hast, wird doch nichts schlechtes über die Albaner gesagt sondern nur gutes.
    Zu keinem Zeitpunkt haben albanische Soldaten Griechen ermordet.
    Das Gegenteil haben sie getan in dem sie sich auf der Seite der Griechen geschlagen haben und gegen die italienischen Faschisten gekämpft.
    Also haben die Albaner gegen die Nazis gekämpft.
    Wo liegt den eur Problem?
    Mit diesem Text hast du doch nur dass gezeigt was ich die gesamte Zeit geschrieben habe.
    Weiss nicht, ob es was zum Thema zutun hat, aber Nazi Kollaboteure gab es auf albanischer Seite, als Beispielt dient:

    SS DIVISION Skanderbeg, es gab noch mehrere (hauptsächlich Muslimische)

    http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&so...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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