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Abstammung der heutigen Griechen mit den Antiken Hellenen zweifelhaft

Erstellt von Guerrier, 31.10.2014, 23:20 Uhr · 281 Antworten · 16.403 Aufrufe

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    Sehr lang, aber lohnt sich wirklich. Da koennt ihr ma sehen wie guerrier und konsorten ticken. Kein wunder das soviel scheisse hier von dennen geschrieben wird.....

    Albanian nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Albanian nationalism is a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of the 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. The term is also associated with similar concepts, such as Albanianism[1][2][3][4][5] and Pan-Albanianism,[6][7][page needed] and ideas what would lead to the formation of a Greater Albania.

    Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945–1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue[8] and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian.[8] During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians.[8] However the core values of Albanian National Awakening remain rooted even today, while the ideology developed during Hoxha's regime is still partly present (though there seems to be some willingness for change[9]) in Albania and also Kosovo as well as Republic of Macedonia.[8][10]

    Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. The 19th century idea that Albanians are descendants of Pelasgians[11][12] and that the Etruscans,[13] Illyrians, ancient Macedonians, and Epirotes had a Pelasgian origin are still common in certain Albanian circles. These ideas comprise a national myth that establishes precedence over neighboring peoples (Slavs and Greeks) and allow movements for independence and self-determination, as well as irredentist claims against neighboring countries.[14][15][16][17] The Myth of Skanderbeg is one of the main constitutive myths of Albanian nationalism. Albanian nationalists needed an episode from the medieval history for the centre of the Albanian nationalistic mythology and they chose Skanderbeg, in the absence of the medieval kingdom or empire.[18]

    National MythsEdit

    A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory, this theory also established that the ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin.[19] The theory gained staunch support among early 20th century Albanian publicists,[20] but is rejected by scholars today.[21] The Pelasgian theory of the origins of the Albanians had a measure of support in during the years of Communist Albania, though the "Illyrian" theory tended to have primacy.[22] The protochronist ideology developed in Communist Albania was directly borrowed from the original protochronist ideology developed in Communist Romania.[23]

    Among controversial claims Aristotle,[24] Pyrrhus of Epirus,[25] Alexander the Great,[26] and Phillip II of Macedon (along with all the ancient Macedonians) were Pelasgian-Illyrian-Albanian[27] and that ancient Greek culture (and thus the result of the Hellenistic civilisation) had been spread by Albanians.[28] Macedonians are considered forefathers (among several others) of the Albanians. Ancient Greek gods are seen as "Albanian" as well.[8]

    Through the Pelasgian claim, most if not all European cultures are claimed to be derivatory, even those of the Romans and Celts.[29]

    Robert D'Angély is one of the authors that tries to re-actualize 19th century claims that Albanians descend from the most ancient peoples, the Pelasgians, and that the European "white race" descends from these people. According to Angély, Greek people or Greek nation does not exist (he writes that Greeks mixed with Semites) and that the ancient Greeks were Pelasgian Albanians.[30]

    Edwin Everett Jacques, an American 19th-century missionary [31] in Albania in his book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" supported and recreated these notions by considering all the Ancient Greeks Albanians.[32]

    Ismail Kadare, an Albanian novelist, winner of the Man Booker International Prize in 2005 and of the Prince of Asturias Award in 2009 claims that Albanians are more Greek than the Greeks themselves,[33] and attempts to construct a Greek-Illyrian continuity.[33]

    The Myth of Skanderbeg is one of the main constitutive myths of Albanian nationalism.[34][35][36] Albanian nationalist writers transformed Skanderbeg's figure and deeds into a mixture of historical facts, truths, half-truths, inventions, and folklore.[37] The Myth of Skanderbeg is the only myth of Albanian nationalism that is based on a person; the other myths are based on ideas, abstract concepts, and collectivism.[38] There are two different Skanderbegs today: the historic Skanderbeg, and a mythic national hero as presented in Albanian schools and nationalist intellectuals in Tirana and Pristina.[39]

    From the 15th to the 19th century Skanderbeg's fame survived mainly in Christian Europe and was based on a perception of Skanderbeg's Albania serving as Antemurale Christianitatis (a barrier state) against "invading Turks". In Albania, largely Islamicized during this period, Skanderbeg's fame faded and was rediscovered at the end of the 19th century, when the figure of Skanderbeg was brought to the level of national myth.

    In Communist Albania, an Illyrian origin of the Albanians (without denying Pelasgian roots[22] a theory which has been revitalized today[30]) continued to play a significant role in Albanian nationalism,[40] resulting in a revival of given names supposedly of "Illyrian" origin, at the expense of given names associated with Christianity. This trend had originated with the 19th century Rilindja, but it became extreme after 1944, when it became the communist regime's declared doctrine to oust Christian or Islamic given names. Ideologically acceptable names were listed in the Fjalor me emra njerëzish (1982). These could be native Albanian words like Flutur "butterfly", ideologically communist ones like Proletare, or "Illyrian" ones compiled from epigraphy, e.g. from the necropolis at Dyrrhachion excavated in 1958-60.

    At first, Albanian nationalist writers opted for the Pelasgians as the forefathers of the Albanians, but as this form of nationalism flourished in communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the Pelasgians became a secondary element[22] to the Illyrian theory of Albanian origins, which could claim some support in scholarship.[41] The Illyrian descent theory soon became one of the pillars of Albanian nationalism, especially because it could provide some evidence of continuity of an Albanian presence both in Kosovo and in southern Albania, i.e., areas that were subject to ethnic conflicts between Albanians, Serbs and Greeks.[42] Under the regime of Enver Hoxha, an autochthonous ethnogenesis[8] was promoted and physical anthropologists[8] tried to demonstrate that Albanians were different from any other Indo-European populations, a theory now also disproved.[43] Communist-era Albanian archaeologists claimed[8] that ancient Greek poleis, gods, ideas, culture and prominent personalities were wholly Illyrian (example Pyrrhus of Epirus[44] and the region of Epirus.[45]). They claimed that the Illyrians were the most ancient people[8][46] in the Balkans and greatly extended the age of the Illyrian language.[8][47] This is continued in post-communist Albania[8] and has spread to Kosovo.[8][48] Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day.[8]

    Modern Education
    Albanian schoolbooks assert that the Illyrians are the heirs of the Pelasgians.[49][50]

    Impacts on modern Albanian society and culture
    Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day.[8] The Pelasgian theory especially has been revitalized today.[30] The Albanian Kanun, a very ancient set of laws that is still partially applied in several areas of northern Albania is believed to have been inherited by Illyrians.[51] Muzafer Korkuti, one of the dominant figures in post-war Albanian archaeology and now Director of the institute of Archaeology in Tirana said this in an interview of July 10, 2002:[52]

    "Archaeology is part of the politics which the party in power has and this was understood better than anything else by Enver Hoxha. Folklore and archaeology were respected because they are the indicators of the nation, and a party that shows respect to national identity is listened to by other people; good or bad as this may be. Enver Hoxha did this as did Hitler. In Germany in the 1930s there was an increase in Balkan studies and languages and this too was all part of nationalism."

    The supposed "Illyrian" names that the communist regime generated continue to be used today and to be considered of Illyrian origin. The museum in the capital, Tirana, has a bust Pyrrhus of Epirus next to the bust of Teuta (an Illyrian), and under that of Scanderbeg, a medieval Albanian.

    Influence on Albanian diaspora
    The Albanian newspaper in the USA is called Illyria[53] Albanian companies based abroad are named Illyrian-related names such as Illyria Holdings in Switzerland[54] and the Swiss-Albanian Illyrian bank.

    A USA-based Albanian company, Illyria Entertaintment,[55] plans a documentary that calls the Illyrians "greatest forgotten people" that "contributed to the formation and development of the Western civilization", "shrouded in myth and legend" though little to nothing is known of their myths (see Illyrian gods) "before the dawn of classical Greece and the rise of the Roman empire" despite the fact the first account of Illyrians comes at the 4th century BC[56] by a Greek writer.

    Influence on movement toward Kosovan secessionism

    This ideology of this type has spread to Kosovo[8][10] The struggle for the liberation of Kosovo from Serb rule became the struggle for the recovery of the ancient land of the Dardanians and thus a re-creation of their ancient kingdom[57] The concept of Illyrian descent proved impossible to eradicate in Kosovo despite the suppression by the Serbs.[57] They have also been brought up to believe that their nation is the oldest in the Balkans, directly descended from the ancient Dardanians,[10] a branch of the Illyrians who had allegedly inhabited the region for many centuries before the arrival of the Slavic 'interlopers'. Some Kosovar Albanians refer to Kosovo as Dardania. The former Kosovo President Ibrahim Rugova[58][59] had been an enthusiastic backer of a "Dardanian" identity and its flag and presidential seal refer to this national identity. However, it is not recognised by any international power and the name "Kosova" remains more widely used among the Albanian population. The name change and the ideology that goes with it has the intention of a weapon against Serbian historical rights by claiming that the Albanians were the original inhabitants of the region(the Dardanians).[58] Orthodox Christianity is considered a Slavic characteristic and Roman Catholicism is preferred as the claim is that the Dardanians were Roman Catholics and that the invading Slavs usurped and turned their Catholic churches into Orthodox ones. Albanians in Kosovo believe that they are the direct descendants of the Illyrians, that they were the first Christians in Europe, and that St. Paul had been in "Dardania" first[60]

    Shops in Kosovo are frequently named Illyria Tours or Dardania Import-Export.[61] A Dardania Bank exists[62] in Albania.

    Greater Albania
    Main article: Greater Albania
    The term Greater Albania[63] or Ethnic Albania as called by the Albanian nationalists themselves,[64] refers to an irredentist concept of lands outside the borders of the Republic of Albania which are considered part of a greater national homeland by most Albanians,[65] based on the present-day or historical presence of Albanian populations in those areas. The term incorporates claims to Kosovo, as well as territories in the neighbouring countries Montenegro, Greece and the Republic of Macedonia. Albanians themselves mostly use the term ethnic Albania instead.[64] According to the Gallup Balkan Monitor 2010 report, the idea of a Greater Albania is supported by the majority of Albanians in Albania (63%), Kosovo (81%) and the Republic of Macedonia (53%).[66][67] In 2012, as part of the celebrations for Albania's 100th anniversary of independence, Prime Minister Sali Berisha spoke of "Albanian lands" stretching from Preveza in Greece to Presevo in Serbia, and from the Macedonian capital of Skopje to the Montenegrin capital of Podgorica, angering Albania's neighbors. The comments were also inscribed on a parchment that will be displayed at a museum in the city of Vlore, where the country’s independence from the Ottoman Empire was declared in 1912.[68]

    See also: 2001 Macedonia conflict
    In 1992 Albanian activists in Struga proclaimed also the founding of the Republic of Illyrade(Albanian: Republika e Iliridës)[69] with the intention of autonomy or federalization inside the Republic of Macedonia. The declaration had only symbolic meaning and the idea of an autonomous state of Illyrade (Albanian: Iliridë) is not officially accepted by the ethnic Albanian politicians in the Republic of Macedonia[70] .[71] The name Illyrade is another form of Illyria.

    Kosovo Liberation Army

    Logo of the KLA
    Main article: Kosovo Liberation Army
    The Kosovo Liberation Army or KLA (Albanian: Ushtria Çlirimtare e Kosovës or UÇK) was a Kosovar Albanian guerrilla group which sought the independence of Kosovo from Yugoslavia in the 1990s. They fought against the Yugoslav Army during the Kosovo War.

    Albanian National Army
    Main article: Albanian National Army

    Official ensign of the Albanian National Army
    The Albanian National Army (abbreviated ANA; Albanian: Armata Kombëtare Shqiptare, AKSh), is an ethnic Albanian organization closely associated with the Kosovo Liberation Army - operating in the Republic of Macedonia and Kosovo. The group opposes the Ohrid Framework Agreement which ended the 2001 Macedonia conflict between insurgents of the National Liberation Army and Macedonian security forces.

    FBKSh (Albanian: Fronti i Bashkuar Kombetar Shqiptar, English: United National Albanian Front) is a pan-Albanian irredentist organization and AKSh's political wing, whose objective is to create a "United Albania", a homeland for all Albanians. The FBKSh is regarded a terrorist organisation.[72][73]

    National Liberation Army (Albanians of Macedonia)
    Main article: National Liberation Army (Albanians of Macedonia)

    Logo of the NLA
    The National Liberation Army (Albanian: Ushtria Çlirimtare Kombëtare - UÇK; Macedonian: Ослободителна народна армија - ОНА), also known as the Macedonian UÇK, was an insurgent and terrorist[74][75] organization that operated in the Republic of Macedonia in 2001 and was closely associated[76] with the KLA.

    Liberation Army of Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac
    Main article: Liberation Army of Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac
    The Liberation Army of Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac,LAPMB (Albanian: Ushtria Çlirimtare e Preshevës, Medvegjës dhe Bujanocit, UÇPMB; Serbian: Oslobodilačka Vojska Preševa, Medveđe i Bujanovca, Cyrillic script: Ослободилачка војска Прешева, Медвеђе и Бујановца) was an Albanian guerrilla group fighting for the secession of Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa from the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY). Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa were at the time municipalities of the Republic of Serbia, itself a federal unit of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (not to be confused with SFR Yugoslavia); today they are municipalities of modern Serbia. The three municipalities were home to most of the Albanians of Central Serbia, adjacent to Kosovo[a]. LAPMB uniforms, procedures and tactics mirrored those of the disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). The LAPMB operated from 1999 to 2001. The goal of the LAPMB was to secede these municipalities from Yugoslavia and join them to a future independent Kosovo.

    Liberation Army of Chameria
    Main article: Liberation Army of Chameria
    Liberation Army of Chameria (Albanian: Ushtria Çlirimtare e Çamërisë) is a reported paramilitary formation in the northern Greek region of Epirus.[77][78][79][80] The organisation is reportedly linked to the Kosovo Liberation Army and the National Liberation Army, both ethnic Albanian paramilitary organisations in Serbia and the Republic of Macedonia respectively.[81]

  2. #132
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    Greco du hast wieder Öl ins Feuer gegossen jetzt geht es wieder los.., hättest du es nicht am Freitag posten können?

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    Greco du hast wieder Öl ins Feuer gegossen jetzt geht es wieder los.., hättest du es nicht am Freitag posten können?
    Griechen = Hellenen ; Albaner = Illyrer.

    Ende aus ; aus die Maus.

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    Greco du hast wieder Öl ins Feuer gegossen jetzt geht es wieder los.., hättest du es nicht am Freitag posten können?
    Meine Freundin macht gleich was fuer die Uni. Das dsuert immer voll lange. Muss mich irgendwie beschaeftigen. Die neue Walking Dead Folge habe ich auch schon gesehen Brudi. Daher gingen mir langsam aber sicher die Optionen aus

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    Och Junge, rede von Sachen die du verstehst und nerv mich nicht mit deinem Propagandageschwafel. Die heutige Griechische Sprache ist der Nachfolger der antiken Griechischen Sprache. Sprachen entwickeln sich weiter das ist ein bereits anerkannter Prozess. Wenn du zu dämlich bist und das nicht einsehen kannst, dann ist es wieder dein Problem. Aber geh uns nicht auf den Sack mit deinem Scheiss.
    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    Das Neugriechische hat in den Jahrhunderten der Herrschaft anderssprachiger Mächte viele Wörter aus deren Sprachen übernommen. So findet man manche italienische Vokabel, die durch die genuesischen oder venezianischen Besatzer übermittelt wurde (bagno → bánio (μπάνιο ‚Bad‘); coperta → kouvérta (κουβέρτα ‚Decke‘); scala → skála (σκάλα ‚Treppe‘); terrazza → tarátsa (ταράτσα ‚Terrasse‘), aber auch unzählige türkischstämmige Wörter, letztere vor allem aus dem Bereich der Alltagskultur wie Essen oder Musik. In spätantiker und frühbyzantinischer Zeit drangen zahlreiche Wörter aus dem Lateinischen in den griechischen Wortschatz. Schon im frühen Mittelalter sind auch einige arabische Wörter aufgenommen worden, vor allem im Bereich Mathematik oder Medizin, vereinzelt finden sich auch im Mittelalter entlehnte Wörter albanischer oder slawischer Herkunft im griechischen Wortschatz.
    Scheinst dich anscheinend nicht mal mit deiner Sprache ausseinander gesetzt zu haben. Es stimmt nicht das sich Antike - Griechische Sprache weiterentwickelt hat wie zum beispiel das Deutsche. Die heutige Griechische Sprache ist ein Mix aus vielen verschiedenen. Vorallem Lateinische Wörter stecken zuhauf in der heutigen Griechischen Sprache, auch die Slawen, Venezianer, Albaner und die Türken haben eure Sprache geprägt. Antike-Griechische Wörter existieren dagegen nur noch im Wörterbuch und werden selten verwendet.

    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    Natürlich wurde auch nur das Neue Testament übersetzt, weil das NT ausschlagebend für das Christentum ist. Und wieso dann also auf griechisch und nicht hebräisch??Merkst du eigentlich noch was oder biste als Kind zu oft von der Schaukel gefallen??
    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    Die originale Bibel auf griechisch beweist es.
    Merkst du nicht wie du dir Selber widerspricht?

    Die Bibel wurde insgesamt in drei Sprachen verfasst. Im Alten Testament wurde im allgemeinen immer Hebräisch gesprochen (siehe dazu 2. Könige 18 26), von daher sind auch weite Teile des Alten Testaments in dieser Sprache verfasst. Hebräisch wird in Jesaja 19, 18 auch als "Sprache Kanaans" bezeichnet. Weiterhin wurde Aramäisch gesprochen, die übliche Verkehrssprache im nahen Osten zur Zeit Alexander des Großen (600 - 400 vor Christus). Das Neue Testament ist in Griechisch verfasst, was die damals international gültige 'Weltsprache' war (etwa zu vergleichen mit dem heutigen Englisch).

    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    Skanderbeg hat auch für das Christentum gekämpft. Darum hat ihn auch der Papst zu, Athleta Christi gekürt

    Der Ehrentitel Athleta Christi wurde im 15. Jahrhundert vom Papst an Personen verliehen, die sich besonders um die militärische Verteidigung des Christentums gegen das Osmanische Reich verdient gemacht hatten.
    Deine Argumentation ist lachhaft.
    Wen ein Christliches Land gegen ein Islamisches Krieg führt, kämpft es auch zwangsläufig für das Christentum.
    Skanderbeg ging jedoch es in erster Linie bei seinem Besuch im Vatikan nur um die Unterstütung des Paptest. In diesen moment war das bestechen seiner Nation akut bedroht. Deswegen ging im damals die Religion höchstwarscheinlich am Arsch vorbei.
    Und wie gesagt Religion war in Albanien immer zweitrangig. Im gegensatz zu euch stand bei uns Kultur, Patriotimus und Nationalbewusstsein immer an erster stelle. Ansonsten wären wir jetzt genau wie ihr turkmenisiert.

    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    The culture of the Ottoman Empire evolved over several centuries as the ruling administration of the Turks absorbed, adapted and modified the cultures of conquered lands and their peoples. There was a strong influence from the customs and languages of Islamic societies, notablyArabic, while Persian culture had a significant contribution through the heavily Persianized regime of the Seljuq Turks, the Ottomans' predecessors.[citation needed] Throughout its history, the Ottoman Empire had substantial subject populations of Byzantine Greeks, Armenians,Jews and Assyrians, who were allowed a certain amount of autonomy under the confessional millet system of Ottoman government, and whose distinctive cultures enriched that of the Ottoman state.
    As the early Ottoman Turks drove the Byzantine administration from Anatolia, later pursuing them into Europe, it was perceived as part of theJihad (struggle) against the Christians: the first Ottoman rulers called themselves Gazi, or Warriors. However, as the Ottomans moved further west and the assimilation of the Greek and Balkan populations progressed, the Turkic and Persian-Arabic-Greek influenced culture of its leaders itself absorbed some of the culture of the conquered peoples.

    Foroqhi, S. Subjects of the Sultan: Culture and Daily Life in the Ottoman Empire, I. B. Tauris, 2005, ISBN 1-85043-760-2, p. 152

    War wohl wieder nichts.
    Kannst du kein Englisch? Es steht dort das die Osmanische Kultur von der Persischen und Arabischen beinflusst wurde.
    Was dort über Griechische und Armenischen prägungen steht ist Falsch.
    Die damalige Griechische und Armenische Kultur berreicherte die Osmanische nur in Kulinarischer weise.
    Dazu auch kein satz davon, das sie wie eure fast komplett ersetzt wurde.

    Osmanische Sprache
    Die Osmanische Sprache basierte auf dem Anatolischtürkischen. Gegen Ende des 15. Jahrhunderts nahm sie immer mehr auch arabische und persische Elemente mit auf.[2] Sie war eine Varietät des Westoghusischen und galt als Amts- und Literatursprache des Osmanischen Reichs.[3] Wie in fast allen Turksprachen gilt die palatale Vokalharmonie, welche besagt das nach einem dunklen Vokal (a, ı, o, u) nur ein dunkler und nach einem hellen Vokal (e, i, ö, ü) nur ein heller Vokal folgen darf.[4] Die Osmanische Sprache unterteilt sich in drei Varianten:

    • Fasih Türkçe - Sprache der Verwaltung und der Poesie
    • Orta Türkçe - Sprache des Handels und der Oberschicht
    • Kaba Türkçe - Sprache der unteren Schichten

    Die Osmanen schrieben in arabischer Schrift. Von den Persern wurden die vier Buchstaben ﭖ pe, ﭺ çim (Tsche), ﮒ gef (Gāf) und ﮊ je (Že) zusätzlich noch übernommen. Vokale und Sonderzeichen wurden ebenfalls aus dem arabischen Alphabet übernommen. Bei der Schreibschrift wurden die Buchstaben übereinander geschrieben. Zahlen wurden in arabischen Ziffern ausgedrückt.

    Osmanische Miniatur Maler

    Alte osmanische (türkische) Designs zählen zu einen der ältesten bildlichen Künste der Welt und gehen auf eine über tausendjährige Tradition zurück aus dem 8. und 9. Jahrhundert. Die ersten dieser schönen Künste wurden in Zentralasien, Turkestan, gefunden. Die ältesten Arbeiten die heute bekannt sind, sind die mänichäischen Fresken (Wandbilder).[5]
    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    Also das erste Bild von diesem Typen mit diesem komischen Hut sehe ich zum erstenmal und dieser wird gar nicht in GR verwendet.
    Da kennst du anscheinend deine eigenen Turkeminisierten Trachten nicht

    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo
    Auf den oberen Bild steht Roman-Christian ältere bezeichnung für Römisches Katholische Christen.
    du dummes kleines Kind.

    Och wie süß, HistoryofMacedonia. Mit den Skopianischen Propaganda Wischblättern kannste dir deinen Kaukasischen Hintern abwischen du schwuler Kanisterkopf. Im Gegensatz zu deinen Quellen, werden meine Quellen von Akademikern bestätigt (Siehe hier für weiter oben)
    Irgendwie versucht du deine eigene Dummheit auf andere zu Projezieren.
    Wie kommts Minderwertigkeitskomplexe?

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    Poste mal paar akademische Quellen du Bauer.

    Wir haben dir schon dutzende gepostet das die antike Griechische Sprache in der Neu-griechischen weiterlebt.

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    selber schuld, wenn Du meinst, Dich mit Sonderlingen abgeben zu müssen, die sogar noch Rommel, den sie als Avatar führten, rechtfertigten und verteidigten (das Avatar musste entfernt werden, mal eine gute Tat des Kalifats)

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    Griechen = Hellenen ; Albaner = Illyrer.

    Ende aus ; aus die Maus.

    Wohl eher: Griechen, gleich 4'000 Jahre Volksgeschichte, und Albaner, gleich im Hochmittelalter als Volk entstanden.


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    Griechen = Hellenen ; Albaner = Illyrer.

    Ende aus ; aus die Maus.
    Alles Minions

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    Wohl eher: Griechen, gleich 4'000 Jahre Volksgeschichte, und Albaner, gleich im Hochmittelalter als Volk entstanden.

    In Albanien sind es keine 4000 Jahre, doch einige sind es seit 1972 ndZ schon, es sind ca. 40 Jahre:

    Die heutige albanische Schriftsprache wurde erst in der Mitte des 20. Jahrhunderts auf der Grundlage toskischer Dialekte entwickelt. 1972 kam dieser Prozess auf einem Kongress in Tirana zum Abschluss. Seit einigen Jahren wird gefordert, verstärkt gegische Varianten in der Sprachpolitik zu berücksichtigen.

    Der albanische Wortschatz übernahm viele Lehnwörter aus dem Altgriechischen, danach sehr viele aus dem Lateinischen;
    --> Albanische Sprache ? Wikipedia

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