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Albanische Sprache hat 5000 Jahre alte Wurzeln

Erstellt von Jean Gardi, 02.09.2012, 20:36 Uhr · 432 Antworten · 28.118 Aufrufe

  1. #121

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    Zitat Zitat von Zoran Beitrag anzeigen
    Noch nicht mal 20 Beiträge und schon beleidigt er eine ganze Nation



    Das ist keine Beleidigung,das ist Fakt !
    Lies erstmal über die Entstehung deines ach so antiken Volkes,dann merkst auch du,dass die Makedonier nichts mit den Mazedoniern am Hut haben.Wie schon gesagt künstlich erschaffener Staat.

    Du warst schließlich nicht dabei,als Tito euch als Staat erschuf.
    Nur bleibt noch die Frage wieso er das tat,wenn man sieht was das Resultat heute ist....

  2. #122
    Avatar von Heraclius

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    Zitat Zitat von Sazan Beitrag anzeigen
    wo sollen die albaner denn hergekommen sein? meinst du die sind aus dem nichts entstanden?



    Da würde ich gerne von euch Albaner selbst darüber aufgeklärt werden. Schließlich wird mir ja hier von euch "Ignoranz" vorgeworfen.

    Heraclius

  3. #123

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    Gute Nacht und bringt meinen Thread nicht dazu dass er geschlossen wird

  4. #124
    Avatar von Heraclius

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    Zitat Zitat von Preke Kuci Beitrag anzeigen
    Allein schon dass du denkst dass man Belege für die Existenz eines Volkes haben muss um das ungefähre Alter der Sprache dieses Volkes bestimmen zu können zeigt wie dumm du bist.
    Die Sprache der Albaner ist natürlich älter als das heutige albanische Volk.



    Allein die Tatsache dass du es nötig hast ohne Anlass zu beleidigen zeigt, dass hier der Dumme mit Sicherheit du bist. Gute Nacht.


    Heraclius

  5. #125

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    Zitat Zitat von Zoran Beitrag anzeigen
    Naturlich ist es strittig, sonst gäbe es nicht solch (mit renommierte Preise ausgezeichnete) Arbeiten:

    Kannst du lesen ?

    Ich hatte geschrieben nicht strittig !

  6. #126
    Avatar von Barbaros

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    Zitat Zitat von Heraclius Beitrag anzeigen
    Wenn es nur darum geht euch selbst beweisen zu müssen dass ihr vor den Serben, Kroaten, Mazedoniern, Bulgaren und sonstigen Slawen da wart, dann seid ihr im Ernst eh nur arme Kinder.


    Heraclius
    Warum sollen die Albaner hier jemanden Beweisen das Sie einst vor den Slawen auf dem Balkan lebten?

    Die ganze Welt weiss das doch das die Vorfahren der heutigen Albaner die Illyrer waren,ist ja kein Geheimniss.

  7. #127

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    Naten e mire Preke.


    Lej kta me fol qka dush.

    Kta njerz e din verteten e tash munohen me na bo budall me Propaganden e tyne .

  8. #128
    Avatar von Zoran

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    Zitat Zitat von Preke Kuci Beitrag anzeigen
    Laut einer neuen Studie hat die Indeuropäische Sprachefamilie ihre Wurzeln in der heutigen Türkei.
    Die albanische Sprache hat 5000 Jahre alte Wurzeln ungefähr so alt wie armenisch und altgriechisch.
    Die albanische Zeitung hat das aus der New York Times wo eine Grafik der Sprachen mit Zeitleiste zusehen ist.

    Gjuha shqipe me rrënjë 5 mijëvjeçare




    Publikuar: 02.09.2012 - 19:39New York, 2 shtator - Një studim i ri del me konkludimin se gjuhët indoevropiane e kanë origjinën në Anadoll ose në Turqinë e sotme, ka njoftuar “New York Times”. Kërkuesit studiuan evolucionin e 103 gjuhëve të sotme apo të zhdukura nga familja e gjuhëve indo-evropiane dhe krijuan një pemë për të treguar lidhjet mes gjuhëve të ndryshme.Harta e krijuar tregon se ka shumë gjasa që degët kryesore u krijuan para se të përhapeshin dhe të diversifikoheshin në rajone të tjera. Një hipotezë konkurrente sugjeron se origjina e gjuhëve të sotme gjendet diku në stepat e Euro-Azisë, në Ukrainën dhe Rusinë e ditëve tona, transmeton Noa.

    Studimi tregon se gjuha shqipe i ka rrënjët 5 mijë vjet më parë dhe është afërsisht njësoj e vjetër me greqishten antike dhe gjuhën armene. Gjuhët e tjera janë ndarë në degëzime në periudha të ndryshme, ndërsa gjuha shqipe vlerësohet se ka qenë e pandarë deri para 1 mijë vjetësh, kur u shfaqën edhe ato që ne sot i njohim si dialekte.

    Gjuha shqipe me rrënjë 5 mijëvjeçare - Kultura - Koha Net

    Tracing the Origins of Indo-European Languages

    A new study suggests that the sprawling Indo-European family of languages originated in Anatolia, or modern-day Turkey.
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    Tracing the Origins of Indo-European Languages - Graphic - NYTimes.com

    Family Tree of Languages Has Roots in Anatolia, Biologists Say

    By NICHOLAS WADE

    Biologists using tools developed for drawing evolutionary family trees say that they have solved a longstanding problem in archaeology: the origin of the Indo-European family of languages.



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    Tracing the Origins of Indo-European Languages


    The family includes English and most other European languages, as well as Persian, Hindi and many others. Despite the importance of the languages, specialists have long disagreed about their origin.
    Linguists believe that the first speakers of the mother tongue, known as proto-Indo-European, were chariot-driving pastoralists who burst out of their homeland on the steppes above the Black Sea about 4,000 years ago and conquered Europe and Asia. A rival theory holds that, to the contrary, the first Indo-European speakers were peaceable farmers in Anatolia, now Turkey, about 9,000 years ago, who disseminated their language by the hoe, not the sword.
    The new entrant to the debate is an evolutionary biologist, Quentin Atkinson of the University of Auckland in New Zealand. He and colleagues have taken the existing vocabulary and geographical range of 103 Indo-European languages and computationally walked them back in time and place to their statistically most likely origin.
    The result, they announced in Thursday’s issue of the journal Science, is that “we found decisive support for an Anatolian origin over a steppe origin.” Both the timing and the root of the tree of Indo-European languages “fit with an agricultural expansion from Anatolia beginning 8,000 to 9,500 years ago,” they report.
    But despite its advanced statistical methods, their study may not convince everyone.
    The researchers started with a menu of vocabulary items that are known to be resistant to linguistic change, like pronouns, parts of the body and family relations, and compared them with the inferred ancestral word in proto-Indo-European. Words that have a clear line of descent from the same ancestral word are known as cognates. Thus “mother,” “mutter” (German), “mat’ ” (Russian), “madar” (Persian), “matka” (Polish) and “mater” (Latin) are all cognates derived from the proto-Indo-European word “mehter.”
    Dr. Atkinson and his colleagues then scored each set of words on the vocabulary menu for the 103 languages. In languages where the word was a cognate, the researchers assigned it a score of 1; in those where the cognate had been replaced with an unrelated word, it was scored 0. Each language could thus be represented by a string of 1’s and 0’s, and the researchers could compute the most likely family tree showing the relationships among the 103 languages.
    A computer was then supplied with known dates of language splits. Romanian and other Romance languages, for instance, started to diverge from Latin after A.D. 270, when Roman troops pulled back from the Roman province of Dacia. Applying those dates to a few branches in its tree, the computer was able to estimate dates for all the rest.
    The computer was also given geographical information about the present range of each language and told to work out the likeliest pathways of distribution from an origin, given the probable family tree of descent. The calculation pointed to Anatolia, particularly a lozenge-shaped area in what is now southern Turkey, as the most plausible origin — a region that had also been proposed as the origin of Indo-European by the archaeologist Colin Renfrew, in 1987, because it was the source from which agriculture spread to Europe.
    Dr. Atkinson’s work has integrated a large amount of information with a computational method that has proved successful in evolutionary studies. But his results may not sway supporters of the rival theory, who believe the Indo-European languages were spread some 5,000 years later by warlike pastoralists who conquered Europe and India from the Black Sea steppe.
    A key piece of their evidence is that proto-Indo-European had a vocabulary for chariots and wagons that included words for “wheel,” “axle,” “harness-pole” and “to go or convey in a vehicle.” These words have numerous descendants in the Indo-European daughter languages. So Indo-European itself cannot have fragmented into those daughter languages, historical linguists argue, before the invention of chariots and wagons, the earliest known examples of which date to 3500 B.C. This would rule out any connection between Indo-European and the spread of agriculture from Anatolia, which occurred much earlier.
    “I see the wheeled-vehicle evidence as a trump card over any evolutionary tree,” said David Anthony, an archaeologist at Hartwick College who studies Indo-European origins.
    Historical linguists see other evidence in that the first Indo-European speakers had words for “horse” and “bee,” and lent many basic words to proto-Uralic, the mother tongue of Finnish and Hungarian. The best place to have found wild horses and bees and be close to speakers of proto-Uralic is the steppe region above the Black Sea and the Caspian. The Kurgan people who occupied this area from around 5000 to 3000 B.C. have long been candidates for the first Indo-European speakers.
    In a recent book, “The Horse, the Wheel and Language,” Dr. Anthony describes how the steppe people developed a mobile society and social system that enabled them to push out of their homeland in several directions and spread their language east, west and south.
    Dr. Anthony said he found Dr. Atkinson’s language tree of Indo-European implausible in several details. Tocharian, for instance, is a group of Indo-European languages spoken in northwest China. It is hard to see how Tocharians could have migrated there from southern Turkey, he said, whereas there is a well-known migration from the Kurgan region to the Altai Mountains of eastern Central Asia, which could be the precursor of the Tocharian-speakers who lived along the Silk Road.
    Dr. Atkinson said that this was a “hand-wavy argument” and that such conjectures should be judged in a quantitative way.
    Dr. Anthony, noting that neither he nor Dr. Atkinson is a linguist, said that cognates were only one ingredient for reconstructing language trees, and that grammar and sound changes should also be used. Dr. Atkinson’s reconstruction is “a one-legged stool, so it’s not surprising that the tree it produces contains language groupings that would not survive if you included morphology and sound changes,” Dr. Anthony said.
    Dr. Atkinson responded that he did indeed run his computer simulation on a grammar-based tree constructed by Don Ringe, an expert on Indo-European at the University of Pennsylvania, but that the resulting origin was, again, Anatolia, not the Pontic steppe.



    Hier die Studie: Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language Family

  9. #129
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    Zitat Zitat von Heraclius Beitrag anzeigen
    Da würde ich gerne von euch Albaner selbst darüber aufgeklärt werden. Schließlich wird mir ja hier von euch "Ignoranz" vorgeworfen.

    Heraclius
    wir halten fest:

    albanisch bildet einen eigenen zweig innerhalb der indogermanischen sprachfamilie. meinst du wirklich, dass die albaner innerhalb von 500 jahren im stande waren, eine komplett neue sprache zu erfinden? also eher glaube ich sogar dem zoran, dass die slawen alle aus mazedonien stammen.^^

  10. #130
    Kejo
    Zitat Zitat von Barbaros Beitrag anzeigen
    Warum sollen die Albaner hier jemanden Beweisen das Sie einst vor den Slawen auf dem Balkan lebten?

    Die ganze Welt weiss das doch das die Vorfahren der heutigen Albaner die Illyrer waren,ist ja kein Geheimniss.
    Ich glaube, in der westlichen Wissenschaftswelt wird diese Herkunft zumindest stark angezweifelt. Ich weiß halt nicht, ob das eine Minderheitenmeinung ist, oder ob es schon zu einer generellen Anerkennung kam.

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