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Die Autochtonie der Albaner

Erstellt von Imperatori, 08.01.2010, 18:54 Uhr · 297 Antworten · 33.538 Aufrufe

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    Within Europe, E-V13 is especially common in the Balkans and some parts of Italy. In different studies, particularly high frequencies have been observed in Kosovar Albanians (45.6%) (Peričic et al. (2005)), Albanian speakers in the Republic of Macedonia (34.4% reported in Battaglia et al. (2008)), and in some parts of Greece (about 35% in some of the areas studied by King et al. (2008).[9] More generally, high frequencies have also been found in other areas of Greece, and amongst Bulgarians, Romanians, Macedonians, and Serbs[3][7][10][11].


    Phylogenetic analysis strongly suggest that these lineages have spread through Europe, from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion"[1]. Before then, the SNP mutation, V13 apparently first arose in West Asia around 10 thousand years ago, and although not widespread there, it is for example found in high levels (>10% of the male population) in Turkish Cypriot and Druze Arab lineages[1]. The Druze are considered a genetically isolated community[16], and are therefore of particular interest. Their STR DNA signature was actually originally classified in the delta cluster in Cruciani et al. (2004). This means that Druze E-V13 clustered together with most E-V12 and E-V22, and not with European E-V13, which was mostly in the alpha cluster. This can be summarized in a table format...

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    [edit] Roman soldiers in Britain

    Significant frequencies of E-V13 have also been observed in towns in Wales, England and Scotland. The old trading town of Abergele on the northern coast of Wales in particular showed 7 out of 18 local people tested were in this lineage (approximately 40%), as reported in Weale et al. (2002). Bird (2007) attributes the overall presence of E-V13 in Great Britain, especially in areas of high frequency, to settlement during the 1st through 4th centuries CE by Roman soldiers from the Balkan peninsula. Bird proposes a connection to the modern region encompassing Kosovo, southern Serbia, northern Macedonia and extreme northwestern Bulgaria (a region corresponding to the Roman province of Moesia Superior), which was identified by Peričic et al. (2005) as harboring the highest frequency worldwide of this sub-clade[Note 11].
    However, according to data published so far[Note 12], E-V13 appears to be notably absent in Central England, a fact which Bird (2007) suggests reflects a genuine population replacement of Romano-British people with Anglo-Saxons:

    das ist auch interessant weil manche engländer sehen ziemlich albanisch aus wie rooney

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    [edit] E1b1b1a2 (E-V13)

    The E-V13 clade is equivalent to the "alpha cluster" of E-M78 reported in Cruciani et al. (2004), and was first defined by the SNP V13 in Cruciani et al. (2006). Another SNP is known for this clade, V36, reported in Cruciani et al. (2007). All known positive tests for V13 are also positive for V36. So E-V13 is currently considered "phylogenetically equivalent" to E-V36.
    Haplogroup E-V13 is the only lineage that reaches the highest frequencies out of Africa. In fact, it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%). The same haplogroup is also present at lower frequencies in Anatolia (3.8%), the Near East (2.0%), and the Caucasus (1.8%). In Africa, haplogroup E-V13 is rare, being observed only in northern Africa at a low frequency (0.9%).
    Cruciani et al. (2007)
    Within Europe, E-V13 is especially common in the Balkans and some parts of Italy. In different studies, particularly high frequencies have been observed in Kosovar Albanians (45.6%) (Peričic et al. (2005)), Albanian speakers in the Republic of Macedonia (34.4% reported in Battaglia et al. (2008)), and in some parts of Greece (about 35% in some of the areas studied by King et al. (2008).[9] More generally, high frequencies have also been found in other areas of Greece, and amongst Bulgarians, Romanians, Macedonians, and Serbs[3][7][10][11].
    Within Italy, frequencies tend to be higher in Southern Italy[1], with particularly high results sometimes seen in particular areas, for example Santa Ninfa and Piazza Armerina in Sicily[12]. High frequencies appear to exist also in some northern areas[Note 9] for example around Venice[Note 10], Genoa[13] and Rimini[14], as well as on the island of Corsica, which is to the west of mainland northern Italy[15]
    Phylogenetic analysis strongly suggest that these lineages have spread through Europe, from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion"[1]. Before then, the SNP mutation, V13 apparently first arose in West Asia around 10 thousand years ago, and although not widespread there, it is for example found in high levels (>10% of the male population) in Turkish Cypriot and Druze Arab lineages[1]. The Druze are considered a genetically isolated community[16], and are therefore of particular interest. Their STR DNA signature was actually originally classified in the delta cluster in Cruciani et al. (2004). This means that Druze E-V13 clustered together with most E-V12 and E-V22, and not with European E-V13, which was mostly in the alpha cluster. This can be summarized in a table format...
    haplotypedescriptionYCAIIaYCAIIbDYS413aDYS413bDYS19DYS391DYS393DYS439DYS460DYS461A10All E-V13modal192123241310131291013Druze V131192123231310131311912Druze V132192123231310131311913All E-V22modal1922222314101312111012All E-V12*modal192222221310131111913E-V13 is also found in scattered and small amounts in Libya (in the Jewish community) and Egypt, but this is considered most likely to be a result of migration from Europe or the Near East.[1]
    [edit] E-V13 and Ancient Migrations

    The apparent movement of E-M78 lineages from the Near East to Europe, and their subsequent rapid expansion, make its E-V13 sub-clade a particularly interesting subject for speculation about ancient human migrations.

    The distribution of V-13 in Europe


    [edit] Early Migration from the Middle East to Europe

    The haplogroup J2b (J-M12) has also frequently been discussed in connection with V13, as a haplogroup with a seemingly very similar distribution and pre-history[2][3][6]. (There is no consensus regarding the circumstances or timing of its evolution.)
    Cruciani et al. (2007) says there were at least four major demographic events which have been envisioned for this geographic area:
    The distribution and diversity of V13 are often thought to represent the introduction of early farming technologies, during the Neolithic expansion, into Europe by way of the Balkans[6]. However, a wider range of possibilities exists, Battaglia et al. (2008), for example, propose that the E-M78* lineage ancestral to all modern E-V13 men moved rapidly out of a Southern Egyptian homeland, in the wetter conditions of the early Holocene; arrived in Europe with only Mesolithic technologies and then only subsequently integrated with Neolithic cultures which arrived later in the Balkans.
    E-V13 is in any case often described in population genetics as one of the components of the European genetic composition which shows a relatively recent link of populations from the Middle East, entering Europe and presumably associated with bringing new technologies.[17][18][19] As such, it is also sometimes remarked that it is a relatively recent genetic movement out of Africa into Eurasia, and has been described as "a signal for a separate late-Pleistocene migration from Africa to Europe over the Sinai ... which is not manifested in mtDNA haplogroup distributions"[20].
    After its initial entry in Europe, there was then a dispersal from the Balkans into the rest of Europe. Also for this movement, a wide range of possibilities exists. Battaglia et al. (2008) suggest that the E-V13 sub-clade of E-M78 originated in situ in Europe, and propose that the first major dispersal of E-V13 from the Balkans may have been in the direction of the Adriatic Sea with the Neolithic Impressed Ware culture often referred to as Impressa or Cardial. In contrast, Cruciani et al. (2007) suggest that the movement out of the Balkans may have been more recent than 5300 years ago. The authors suggest that this might have been associated with an in situ population increase in the Balkans associated with the Balkan Bronze age, rather than an actual migratory movement of peoples from western Asia. They consider that "the dispersion of the E-V13 and J-M12 haplogroups seems to have mainly followed the river waterways connecting the southern Balkans to north-central Europe". Peričic et al. (2005) propose the Vardar-Morava-Danube rivers as a possible route of Neolithic dispersal into central Europe. Bird (2007) proposes a still more recent dispersal out of the Balkans, around the time of the Roman empire.
    [edit] Greek Soldiers in Pakistan

    Both E-V13 and J-M12 have also been used in studies seeking to find evidence of a remaining Greek presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, going back to the time of Alexander the Great.
    An extensive analysis of Y diversity within Greeks and three Pakistani populations – the Burusho, Kalash and Pathan – who claim descent from Greek soldiers allowed us to compare Y lineages within these populations and re-evaluate their suggested Greek origins. This study as a whole seems to exclude a large Greek contribution to any Pakistani population, confirming previous observations. However, it provides strong evidence in support of the Greek origins for a small proportion of Pathans, as demonstrated by the clade E network and the low pairwise genetic distances between these two populations.
    Firasat et al. (2006)
    [edit] Roman soldiers in Britain

    Significant frequencies of E-V13 have also been observed in towns in Wales, England and Scotland. The old trading town of Abergele on the northern coast of Wales in particular showed 7 out of 18 local people tested were in this lineage (approximately 40%), as reported in Weale et al. (2002). Bird (2007) attributes the overall presence of E-V13 in Great Britain, especially in areas of high frequency, to settlement during the 1st through 4th centuries CE by Roman soldiers from the Balkan peninsula. Bird proposes a connection to the modern region encompassing Kosovo, southern Serbia, northern Macedonia and extreme northwestern Bulgaria (a region corresponding to the Roman province of Moesia Superior), which was identified by Peričic et al. (2005) as harboring the highest frequency worldwide of this sub-clade[Note 11].
    However, according to data published so far[Note 12], E-V13 appears to be notably absent in Central England, a fact which Bird (2007) suggests reflects a genuine population replacement of Romano-British people with Anglo-Saxons:
    The "E3b hole" suggests that either (a) a massive displacement of the native Romano-British population by invasion or, (b) the substantial genetic replacement of Romano-British Y-DNA through an elite dominance ("apartheid") model [ Thomas et al. (2006) ], has occurred in Central England. Regardless of the mechanism, the Central England region of Britain, with its lack of E3b haplotypes, is the area having the most "striking similarity in the distribution of Y-chromosomes" with Friesland.
    Bird (2007)
    [edit] Sub Clades of E1b1b1a2 (E-V13)

    Although most E-V13 individuals do not show any known downstream SNP mutations, and are therefore categorized as E1b1b1a2* (E-V13*) there are three recognized sub-clades, all of which may be very small. These are one of two cases where Karafet et al. (2008) remarked that at the time of that article, it was not certain that the two clades were truly separate ("the positions of these mutations have not been resolved because of a lack of a DNA sample containing the derived state at V27").






    villeicht habe ich ja einen fehler gemacht wer recht gut englisch kann der kann es ja richtig stellen und es übersetzen

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    Zitat Zitat von αρτεmi Beitrag anzeigen
    iGenea
    Guter Witz

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    Zitat Zitat von Magic Beitrag anzeigen
    Was für Schwachsinn Du erzählst,naja wie Dallas schon sagte...

    Jawohl....Prost Magico...

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    Zitat Zitat von Magic Beitrag anzeigen
    Ich weiß zwar nicht was Du damit beweisen willst aber die Haplogruppe E spricht nicht für Autochtonie sondern für Einwanderung da diese Haplogruppe am häufigsten unter Nordafrikanern vertreten ist und als Haplogruppe der Phönizier und Afrikaner gilt(nicht der illyrer)
    Die Haplogruppe I2a gilt als älteste auf dem Balkan(also als Autochtone)und diese ist mit abstand am Höchsten in Bosnien&Herzegovina.
    Dennoch entscheiden nicht Haplogruppen allein über das Urvolk

    Haplogruppe E (Y-DNA) ? Wikipedia
    Ganz genau so ist es Magic hat vollkommen recht.
    Diese Haplogruppe ist über den nachen Osten und die Türkei gekommen
    und kommt am meisten vro in Kosovo Albanien serbien bulgarien makedonien u griechenland.
    E3b haben am meisten türken albaner und serben
    in Bosnien ist sie fast überhauptnicht vorhanden.

    http://www.jogg.info/32/bird.pdf

    I2a ist die älteste Haplogruppe Europas sie ist weit aus älter als die Illyrer
    ca. 30.000 Jahre alt und sie ist absolut ammeisten in Bosnien vorhanden.

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    wenn ihr soviel ahnung habt übersetzt es doch mal ich sag nur das noch dazu alle europäer kommen aus dem nahen osten und ursprünglich afrika

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    Übersetzung: BOSNIER URVOLK UND NÄCHSTE NACHFAHREN DER ILLYRER

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