Epiri ( Epirus)
Erstellt von Arbër, 05.07.2010, 19:11 Uhr · 101 Antworten · 10.229 Aufrufe
Aussert den Altgriechen konnte niemand sonst was? Gell?
Zitat von makedonas
Fragst du mich oder wem ??
Zitat von makedonas
Ok , ich antworte dir einmal nur , weil ihr fragt nur und sehe ich nicht von euch hier Außer leere worte :
Pausanias, Description of Greece 1.12. 
Πύρρον δὲ ἐς Σικελίαν ἀπήγαγε πρεσβεία Συρακουσίων: Καρχηδόνιοι γὰρ διαβάντες τὰς Ἑλληνίδας τῶν πόλεων ἐποίουν ἀναστάτους, ἣ δὲ ἦν λοιπή, Συρακούσαις πολιορκοῦντες προσεκάθηντο. ἃ τῶν πρέσβεων Πύρρος ἀκούων Τάραντα μὲν εἴα καὶ τοὺς τὴν ἀκτὴν ἔχοντας Ἰταλιωτῶν, ἐς δὲ τὴν Σικελίαν διαβὰς Καρχηδονίους ἠνάγκασεν ἀπαναστῆναι Συρακουσῶν. φρονήσας δὲ ἐφ' αὑτῷ Καρχηδονίων, οἳ θαλάσσης τῶν τότε βαρβάρων μάλιστα εἶχον ἐμπείρως Τύριοι Φοίνικες τὸ ἀρχαῖον ὄντες, τούτων ἐναντία ἐπήρθη ναυμαχῆσαι τοῖς Ἠπειρώταις χρώμενος, οἳ μηδὲ ἁλούσης Ἰλίου
θάλασσαν οἱ πολλοὶ μηδὲ ἁλσὶν ἠπίσταντό πω χρῆσθαι.
Pyrrhus was brought over to Sicily by an embassy of the Syracusans. The Carthaginians had crossed over and were destroying the Greek cities, and had sat down to invest Syracuse, the only one now remaining. When Pyrrhus heard this from the envoys he abandoned Tarentum and the Italiots on the coast, and crossing into Sicily forced the Carthaginians to raise the siege of Syracuse. In his self-conceit, although the Carthaginians, being Phoenicians of Tyre by ancient descent, were more experienced sea men than any other non-Greek people of that day, Pyrrhus was nevertheless encouraged to meet them in a naval battle, employing the Epeirots, the majority of whom, even after the capture of Troy, knew no thing of the sea nor even as yet how to use salt.
As for the Pelasgi, almost all agree, in the first place, that some ancient tribe of that name spread throughout the whole of Greece, and particularly among the Aeolians of Thessaly. Again, Ephorus says that he is of the opinion that, since they were originally Arcadians, they chose a military life, and that, in converting many peoples to the same mode of life, they imparted their name to all, and thus acquired great glory, not only among the Greeks, but also among all other people whithersoever they had chanced to come. For example, they prove to have been colonisers of Crete, as Homer says; at any rate, Odysseus says to Penelope: "But one tongue with others is mixed; there dwell Achaeans, there Cretans of the old stock, proud of heart, there Cydonians and Dorians too, of waving plumes, and goodly Pelasgians." And Thessaly is called "the Pelasgian Argos" (I mean that part of it which lies between the outlets of the Peneius River and Thermopylae as far as the mountainous country of Pindus), on account of the fact that the Pelasgi extended their rule over these regions. Further, the Dodonaean Zeus is by the poet himself named "Pelasgian": "O Lord Zeus, Dodonaean, Pelasgian." And many have called also the tribes of Epirus "Pelasgian," because in their opinion the Pelasgi extended their rule even as far as that. And, further, because many of the heroes were called "Pelasgi" by name, the people of later times have, from those heroes, applied the name to many of the tribes; for example, they have called the island of Lesbos "Pelasgia," and Homer has called "Pelasgi" the people that were neighbours to those Cilicians who lived in the Troad: "And Hippothous led the tribes of spear-fighting Pelasgi, those Pelasgi who inhabited deep-soiled Larissa." But Ephorus' authority for the statement that this race originated in Arcadia was Hesiod; for Hesiod says: "And sons were born of god-like Lycaon, who, on a time, was begotten by Pelasgus." Again, Aeschylus, in his Suppliants, or else his Danaan Women, says that the race of the Pelasgi originated in that Argos which is round about Mycenae. And the Peloponnesus too, according to Ephorus, was called "Pelasgia." And Euripides too, in his Archelaus, says: "Danaus, the father of fifty daughters, on coming into Argos, took up his abode in the city of Inachus, and throughout Greece he laid down a law that all people hitherto named Pelasgians were to be called Danaans." And again, Anticleides says that they were the first to settle the regions round about Lemnos and Imbros, and indeed that some of these sailed away to Italy with Tyrrhenus the son of Atys. And the compilers of the histories of The Land of Atthis give accounts of the Pelasgi, believing that the Pelasgi were in fact at Athens too, although the Pelasgi were by the Attic people called "Pelargi," the compilers add, because they were wanderers and, like birds, resorted to those places whither chance led them.
APPIAN, The Foreign Wars ( The Illyrian Wars) Ill. 1.1
I. Ἰλλυριοὺς Ἕλληνες ἡγοῦνται τοὺς ὑπέρ τε Μακεδονίαν καὶ Θρᾴκην ἀπὸ Χαόνων καὶ Θεσπρωτῶν ἐπὶ ποταμὸν Ἴστρον. καὶ τοῦτ' ἐστὶ τῆς χώρας τὸ μῆκος, εὖρος δ' ἐκ Μακεδόνων τε καὶ Θρᾳκῶν τῶν ὀρείων ἐπὶ Παιονας καὶ τὸν Ἰόνιον καὶ τὰ πρόποδα τῶν Ἄλπεων. καὶ ἔστι τὸ μὲν εὖρος ἡμερῶν πέντε, τὸ δὲ μῆκος τριάκοντα, καθὰ καὶ τοῖς Ἕλλησιν εἴρηται. Ῥωμαίων δὲ τὴν χώραν μετρησαμένων ἔστιν ὑπὲρ ἑξακισχιλίους σταδίους τὸ μῆκος, καὶ τὸ πλάτος ἀμφὶ τοὺς χιλίους καὶ διακοσίους.
The Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Ister (Danube). This is the length of the country. Its breadth is from Macedonia and the mountains of Thrace to Pannonia and the Adriatic and the foot-hills of the Alps. Its breadth is five days' journey and its length thirty -- so the Greek writers say. The Romans measured the country and found its length to be upward of 6000 stades and its width about 1200
I N P E R A T O R E btt
*IN – Jhezus Nazarenus
*PE – Principi Emathie
*RA – Regi Albaniae
*TO – Terrori Osmanorum
*RE – Regi Epirotarum
*BT – Benedictat Te
Jezusi Nazarenas bekon mbretin e Matit, princin e shqiptarëve, tmerrin e osmanëve, mbretin e Albanisë.
Jesus Nazarene Blesses The Scanderbeg, Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus.
Zitat von Gentleman
da steht, dass wir unterdrückt wurden,
natürlich fragten wir um Hilfe, samma bistu blöd?!Oo
Meine griechischen Karten werden ignoriert
ich schalt mich aus den Thema raus..
Ellines, das solltet ihr einfach ignorieren hier,
verreckt doch ma dran! An eurer Hetze
Ich verachte die Leute, die hier Hetze machen, also euch
Oh ne, die Griechen drangen nicht in Südillyrien und illyrischen Inseln ein .. nein nein
Zitat von Greko
Ok mein Fehler.Achill war also Illyrer,der Vorfahre Pyrrhus.Er zog mit allen anderen Illyrern,die Griechenland im Jahrhundert zuvor eroberten,um die Illyrische Frau des Menelaos von Sparta zuzückzuholen und Troja zu vernichten.So zogen zum ersten Mal alle Illyrer verbündete um das zu machen.Pyrrhus dagegen behauptete dass er Illyrer war (sagte er in seinem Buch 'Ich bin Illyrer'),wo er sein Leben beschreibt.Wer das nicht glaubt,sollte in italienischen Quellen nachsehen,die mindestens 1700 Jaahre nach seinem Tod enstanden.
Um auf Gentleman zu antworten: Nein,ausser den Altgriechen konnten noch viele Völker etwas,sogar noch früher als die Griechen(Ägypter,Babylonier,Perser,Chinesen usw.).Aber das Illyrer irgend sowas vollbrachten das erwähnt kein antiker Autor(auch Nichtgrieche nicht).
geh heulen, pussy..:big4:
Zitat von Greko
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