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Igenea - moderne Humangenetik - Ureinwohner Amerikas = türkisches DNA-Profile

Erstellt von Chechen, 22.04.2009, 03:32 Uhr · 20 Antworten · 8.789 Aufrufe

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    Igenea - moderne Humangenetik - Ureinwohner Amerikas = türkisches DNA-Profile

    welches ammenmärchen die frau pazos (geschäftsleiterin von igenea) und ihre dna-datenbank noch verbreitet - die türken kamen laut dna-profil aus zentralasien, ein teil von ihnen ging über die beringstrasse nach amerikaam rande des eisschildes (besiedelten den kontinent)- allerdings liegen wohlbemerkt zwischen der auswanderung der türkischen "tuvas" nach amerika aus dem türkischen siedlungsgebieten 15000 jahre zeitperiode zurück - diese bewahrten dort über lange zeit teile der vermeintlichen kultur und bräuche der türken.

    und laut der geneanalogie rutschen die mexikaner, puertoricaner el salvadoraner, indianer in das gleiche dna-cluster wie die türken. inwieweit kann man diesem zirkus(igenea) noch glauben schenken? es gibt viele gemeinsamkeiten, sei es die totemtier-kultur der wölfe, der schamanenkult, die gebauten heerlager und jurten-strukturen etc. - genetische gemeinsamkeiten zwischen einem mexikaner und einem türken sind nicht soweit hergeholt, aber dass man dafür gemeinsamkeiten findet in der dna-bank, die sich vor 15000 jahren abgespielt haben ist schon mehr als lächerlich, dass mir die klöten abfallen vor lachen.

    es herrschte schon seit langer zeit ein gewisser trieb unter irgendwelchen pan-türkisten die gemeinsamkeiten der ureinwohner amerikas und den türkischen völkern zu vergleichen, jetzt haben wir es sogar wissenschaftlich, keine laune der natur sondern weitreichende gemeinsamkeiten laut der modernen "humangenetik". igenea - macht es möglich


    Native Americans or The Indians of North America and the Americas “Correlation between the Turkic People and the Native Americans: Common Roots?”

    A panel discussion that lasted close to four hours was held at the Turkish Center in New York City on January 26, Saturday evening from 18:00 PM to 22:00 PM. The topic of the conference, organized by the Istanbul University Alumni Association of USA, was : “Correlation between the Turkic People and the Native Americans: Common Roots?” . .

    For years, many articles and books have been published with claims that the Native Americans had migrated from the central Asia crossing the Bering straight 15,000 to 25,000 years ago when the waters had seceded. Prof. Dr. Reha Oguz Turkkan even published a book on his studies and findings on the link between the Turkic people of Central Asia and the Native Americans. Therefore, this was a timely and a very well organized conference where over 300 Turkish-Americans, turks and their friends, including many young students, listened to the speakers and to beautiful music of Central Asia and the native Americans.

    Background information

    Who are the Native Americans, or Indians, named as such by Christopher Columbus when he thought he had landed in the West Indies after arriving at in 1492 (1). In his book, “The Indian Heritage of America”, (2) Alvin M. Josephy, Jr. states that “it is accepted as certain that Indians are of Asiatic origin.”

    Where in Asia did they come from and when is still debated. One theory suggests that they are “proto-Mongoloid”, separate from the “Asian Mongoloids” According to this theory, the descendants of these immigrants to the Western hemisphere multiplied and spread across the Americas, evolving differently not only from the people who had remained behind in Asia but also among themselves, depending on various influences, including environment, ways of life, and unions among groups (P. 11).

    Another theory proposes there were two or more migrations from Asia. According to many books, there is little relationship between language groups and culture among the Indians. Eskimos, Mayas, Aztecs, Sioux, Crows, Navahos, pueblos are only the major tribes among perhaps that inhibit North America. Some estimates state that in 1492, there were close to 75 million Indians in the Americas, others write only 15 to 20 million. Then tragedy after tragedy, the population of the Indians diminished. According to the book, “The Vanishing Americans”, the population of Indians in North America over the years is given as follows:

    1860 - 340,000, 1910 – 220,000, 1950 – 571,784 (including those with a quarter Indian blood), 1960 – 552,228 (including Indians, Eskimos, Aleuts) and in 1968 – 600,000 plus (380,000 on reservations and mainly in Arizona and Oklahoma.) Today their number is estimated to be around 2.5 million.

    Penel Discussion
    The conference was opened by two young presenters, Cahit Oktay, a renowned photographer, and Sinem Saniye, born in Germany, but raised in USA, and recipient of first prize in a song competition, one speaking English and the other Turkish, with brief information on the panel participants.

    Prof. Turker Ozdogan, acting as the Moderator, stated that they were not the pioneers in the study of correlation between the Turkic people and the native Americans and made reference to Ataturk’s interest in the subject back in the 1930s. Ataturk sent Cemil Tanju to the United States who wrote a book, “Tunc Devirleri” on the link between the peoples that had origins in Central Asia. Ozdogan commented that before the times of the DNA, these subjects were ignored and locations were not mentioned. DNA has shown the obvious connection which, he said, was also discussed during a conference last year on the correlation between the Meluncans and the Turks. Ozdogan also showed several books that have been written on the subject, including “Dine Bahane – Creation Story”.

    There was a surprise guest at the conference. Cahit Oktay introduced Prof. Dr. Reha Oguz Turkkan, who presented a copy of his book to the Federation of Turkish-American Associations, represented by its new President Kaya Boztepe. Dr. Turkkan returned to Turkey in late 70s after spending many years in the USA and publishing “Turkish-American Encyclopedic Digest” together with his ex-wife, Guntekin Turkkan. Dr. Turkkan was also among several Turks, including Prof. Talat Halman, who had donated many books to the Federation which established the first Turkish – American Library in New York in 1973.

    Prof. Marjorie Mandelstam Balzer of Georgetown University made a presentation primarily on the migration that took place after Cengiz Han’s expeditions, “Extending Turkish Identity? Siberian Turkic Peoples, Ancestral Migrations and Native American Roots.” She began with a comment that “Not all Native Americans are Turkish.” She also stated that some Native Americans resist scholarly research on the Asian connections and mentioned that correlation can be studied under legend, linguistic ties, biology, material and spiritual topics, with references to the shaman practices in Central Asia.

    Assoc. Prof. Carol Chiago Lujan of Arizona State University spoke about the Navajo Indians, first commenting that the link between the Turks and the Native Americans is news to her. The title of her presentation was: “Visual Overview of Navajo and American Indians.” She mentioned that identification among the Indians are according to clans, her mother side being from the “Big water Clan” and her father from a different clan. She stated that there are 563 separate nations in the US, 229 in Alaska and 334 in the other states, and the total population today is around 2.5 million, which she said is growing faster then the US population. Then she spoke about the differences between the nations and the commonalities, making reference to the harsh treatment that they have been exposed to since the 1600s. She put the number of Navahos to 300,000 which her students thought was actually more. She showed slides of her students as well as her family members and friends. She said that the most important things for the Navajo Indians were land, kinship, religion and right to govern themselves and read a short poet that began with “In beauty (happily) I walk.”

    Prof. Timur Kocaoglu, a visiting scholar at Michigan State University, made a presentation, “Searching for the Possible Linguistic Correlation Between the Turks and the American Indian Peoples.” He began his speech by referring to a Kazak proverb: You are not a good Kazak if you can identify your 7th forefather. In determing the links, Prof. Kocaoglu stated that comparative studies can be made in the areas of linguistics, arts and handicraft, customs, folk-literature and linguistics and presented examples in each area.

    Unfortunately I missed the second half of the program where there were two music presentations scheduled in between two presentations., one by Ilham Sami Ozulu (Melodies from Central Aia) and Evren Ozan, a fourteen year old Native American flute musician whose compositions are heard on CDs, radio, independent films and in concert (www.ozamusic.com.)

    The title of the presentation that I missed by Mr. Frank Keel, Director, Eastern region of Bureau of Indian Affairs, U.S. Department of the Interior, was “Potential Business and Cultural Advancement between Turkic Nations and Native American Nations / Experience in Turkey?” The title of the presentation by Mr. Brian Paterson, President of the United South and Eastern Tribes & Bear Clan representative to the Oneida Indian Nations’s Men’s Council and Clan Mothers was “Cultural value and Identity in 21st Century.” I hope a summary of these presentations will be made available by the organizers of this very timely and excellent event. Congratulations to the Istanbul University Alumni Association of USA and all of the members who did a wonderful job with organizing and conducting the panel discussion.

    “Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian”

    Before heading to the Turkish Center to attend the conference, I visited the “Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian” located at the magnificent Customs House near the Battery Park. The Museum opened on October 30, 1994, in the historic George Gustav Heye Center. The current exhibition was, “Listening to our Ancestors – The Art of Native Life Along the North Pacific Coast” with over 4,000 objects. One of the many quotations displayed is by Chief Robert Joseph: “Our tribes, known by ancient, magical names, have lived on these lands for more than 10,000 years, protected by natural barriers of ocean and mountains. In this beautiful place, our ancestors crafted elaborate institutions and structures of rights and responsibilities based on kinship and history.”

  2. #2
    Magic
    Deine überschrifft ist falsch
    Es müßte heissen Sibirisch asiatische profile die verwandt(also ähnlich aber NICHT gleich sind mit turkvolkern) und das sie ähnliche profile haben ist kein wunder(türken sind asiaten)Außerdem jeder laie weiß das vor 20.000Jahren asiaten über die Sibirische Landbrücke nach Amerika einwanderten...

    Der ein oder andere Dilettant(wir wissen aus welchen beiden Ländern )wird Dir sicher auch hier mal ein Danke abdrücken für Deinen konfusen herausgerissenen Beitrag

    Schwacher versuch,Du tust Dir keinen gefallen mit Deinen verzweifelten Hilferufen und mich beeindruckt das schon gar nich

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    Mal ganz allgemein: IGENEA ist eine Firma mit Rechtssitz in der Schweiz, also außerhalb der EU und ohne EU-Recht. Es handelt sich nicht um ein in der EU zugelassenes Labor. Deswegen ist es ja auch in der Schweiz. Damit haben die hochwissenschaftlichen Erkenntnisse dieser Firma in Deutschland keinen Rechtswert. In Österreich übrigens auch nicht.

    Aber ich gestehe IGENEA jedem zu, der sich gern einen auf die eigene "Rasse" keult.

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    Entspannt euch!
    Wer steht hinter iGENEA?
    iGENEA ist die europäische Filiale von FamilyTreeDNA, dem führenden Unternehmen für DNA-Genealogie. Weltweit werden 90% aller DNA-Genealogie-Tests von FamilyTreeDNA durchgeführt. iGENEA wird betreut von Gentest.ch, dem renommierten Schweizer Institut für genetische Untersuchungen.
    iGENEA: DNA Genealogy, Ancestry, Surname

    Das heisst die schicken die dinger an FamilyTreeDna.
    Keine schlechte Firma und arbeiten mit National Geographics zusammen am Genographic Project.
    Da arbeiten die Absoluten hammerleute dran mit(unter anderem Spencer Wells als Project director!!!)

    Infos zu FamilyTreeDna:
    FamilyTreeDNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hier die Liste der Verantwortlichen bei FamilyTreeDna:
    Family Tree DNA - Who's Who At Family Tree DNA

    Das sind alles gute Leute, was auch kein wunder ist da die jungs sie auch bezahlen koennen(FamilyTreeDna hat einfach auch die Kohle fuer solche Leute)


    Igenea runterzuputzen weil sie den momentanen Forschungsstand richtig wiedergeben ist wirklich traurig und von den Forumsusern die das hier praktizieren lediglich ein Armutszeugnis!

    Tesekuer Ederim!

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    Zitat Zitat von Sinopeus Beitrag anzeigen
    Mal ganz allgemein: IGENEA ist eine Firma mit Rechtssitz in der Schweiz, also außerhalb der EU und ohne EU-Recht. Es handelt sich nicht um ein in der EU zugelassenes Labor. Deswegen ist es ja auch in der Schweiz. Damit haben die hochwissenschaftlichen Erkenntnisse dieser Firma in Deutschland keinen Rechtswert. In Österreich übrigens auch nicht.

    Aber ich gestehe IGENEA jedem zu, der sich gern einen auf die eigene "Rasse" keult.
    es gibt mitlerweile wirklich verschiedene arten, der modernen genetik - epigenetik, ökologische genetik, populationsgenetik, man kann wirklich alles als bereicherung sehen, aber diese "humangenetik" geht in manchen strecken vielzu weit, es ist eine steilvorlage für viele gruppierungen, die solche ergebnisse gerne politisch ausschlachten.

    nach dem igenea und stanford diese ergebnisse mit den native americans un den turkvölkern der "tuvas" veröffentlichte, sprießen nur noch verwandschaftsbeziehungen im ganzen web.

    schau mal hier:




    mir fallen jetzt schon die klöten ab vor lachen, wenn jetzt irgendwelche verstörten pan-turanisten ankommen, und gebietsansprüche in amerika erheben.

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    Dies ist jetzt etwas, was eher der Wahrheit enspricht....Die Turkvölker sind im Grunde Indianer/Ureinwohner...Wenn ein Türke, egal ob in Sibirien, Mongolei, Türkei, Tataristan etc.etc.etc..... kein Moslem ist, dann glaubt er an TENGRI, den Gott des Himmels..eine Shamanische Religion, die eine der ältesten der Welt ist...diese Religion haben früher die Urmenschen in Europa und in Vorderasien gehabt...die bei den heutigen Turkvölkern aber immer noch gebräuchlich ist..

    Eine Verwandtschaft ist sicher da, da die heutigen Indianer Amerikas sehr wahrscheinlich über die Beringstrasse rüber gewandert sind..
    nur sind hier die "echten" Türken gemeint und nicht die Türkei-Türken die mit fast jedem Volk dieser Erde vermischt sind...aber dennoch sollte man zu seinen Vorfahren stehen und sie nicht verleugnen...







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    Zitat Zitat von Dallas Beitrag anzeigen
    Dies ist jetzt etwas, was eher der Wahrheit enspricht....Die Turkvölker sind im Grunde Indianer/Ureinwohner...Wenn ein Türke, egal ob in Sibirien, Mongolei, Türkei, Tataristan etc.etc.etc..... kein Moslem ist, dann glaubt er an TENGRI, den Gott des Himmels..eine Shamanische Religion, die eine der ältesten der Welt ist...diese Religion haben früher die Urmenschen in Europa und in Vorderasien gehabt...die bei den heutigen Turkvölkern aber immer noch gebräuchlich ist..
    inwiefern entspricht das der wahrheit? ich hab früher immer gedacht, wer solche theorien aufstellt, der ist reif für die klapse - aber langsam wird es zur mode.

    kennst du den professor gene. matlock?

    der war vor wenigen jahren felsenfest davon überzeugt, dass die atzteken, inkas, olmecs etc. das urvolk der türken sind, die mit an sicherheit grenzender wahrscheinlichkeit am rande des eisschildes die behringstrasse übequert haben. nach jüngsten genforschungen, wird dieser typ den ganzen pan-turanisten butter aufs brot schmieren mit seinen kranken stories.






    OLMECS TURKISH


    The Olmecs or Olman were the first civilization in Meso-America. Although there are abundant physical and linguistic artifacts of their existence, only the Nahuatl-speaking tribes and the Mayans knew something about the Olmecs or Olman as a people. For certain, we know that they were Turks because Olmak and Olman are the Turkish names for Adam. Perhaps they called themselves thusly because they were the first inhabitants of Mexico.
    [Right: Artist’s idea of what the ancient Olmec city of La Venta looked like.] The Olmecs supposedly entered Western Mexico in boats, crossing the then navigable Isthmus of Tehuantepec. They first settled on the east coast of Veracruz by the river Papaloapan. The Nahuatl-speaking people couldn’t pronounce “B.” Papaloapan was probably Babalu-apan (Babylonian Crossing).
    The Olmecs’ Zikhari (Temple Mounts) were similar to those of the Sumerian Zigurrats and with virtually the same name: Zicualli and Zacualli. Because the Nahuatl tribes couldn’t say “L,” it was probably a dialectical version of Zigurrat: Zicuari.
    [Left: A central Asian Ziggurat with upper elevations eroded by centuries.] Hundreds of years after settling on the coast, they moved in to the central highlands of Mexico and as far northward as the present-day state of San Luis Potosi. Traces of them may eventually be found as far as Southwestern United States.
    As they multiplied and spread out, they eventually forgot they were Olmecs and Olman. About all they could remember is that they came to America in boats: Nava or Nauvak (Nahua or Nauwak), “ship people.”
    Eventually, Nauvak changed to Anauwak (no longer ship people). Even today, the Nahuatl word Anahuac means “between two waters.” The Nahuatl-speaking tribes also called themselves Toltec, derived from Toltika, meaning “Sons of Tulan or Turan.” When the Spaniards arrived in Mexico, the Aztecs called them “Tules,” thinking they, too, were Turks.

    [Above: Map of Tula in Siberian Russia. Did the Aztecs come from this Tula?] They and the Sumerians prayed to the same mother goddess


    Southern Persia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan had several different names: Sivapuri (The Region of God Shiva), Sivabhu (Sacred Land of Shiva), Sivapuni (The Purity of Shiva), and Shivulba (The Womb, Origin, or Cave of Shiva). The Pueblo Indians called their underworld or place of origin Sibapu or Sibapuni; for the Mayans, it was Shibalba, their "underworld" and place of the gods. The linguistic and functional similarities of the Hindu Sivabhu, Sivapuni, and Shivulba with the Puebloan Sibapu, Sivapuni, and the Mayan Shivalba (Xibalba) are too nearly exact to be coincidences.
    [Right: The "Sumerian" Statue in Tepoztlan, Morelos.]
    A Tepe was a low, steep hill surrounded by a village. The Tepe was used both as a fortress in case of attack and as a religious center honoring the village’s special deity-often a mother goddess. A few of the many hundreds of Tepes scattered over Sivabhu, even into the Middle East, are Tepe Yaya, Tepe Ya, Tepe Kilize, Tepe Liman, Tepe Catal, Tepe Godin, Tepe Cora, etc.
    Mexico is the only region outside the Middle East and Central Asia, where we find hundreds of these combination protective and holy hills called Tepes. Some of these are Tepatitán, Tuxtepec, Tepec, Tepic, Mazatepec, Tepetatas, Tepantita, Tepetzintla, Tepuste, Tepetlix, Tepetlalco, ad infinitum.
    In ancient Sivabhu, the deities located at the tops of these tepes were called Yah, Yakh, Yakhu, Yaksha, Yakshi etc., meaning “Guardian Angel.” The leading Mexican Yakshi (female guardian angel) had her sanctuary atop what is now Tepeyac (Hill of the Guardian Angel) in Mexico City. She is now the Virgin of Guadalupe.
    Eventually, the non-Olmec tribes in Mexico, if there were ever any at all, copied their civilization after them. The Aztecs claimed that they had once lived in what are now the Florida Cays. When their city went under water, a sea-faring group saved them, dumping them on the Mexican mainland. In their annals, they said they adopted the civilization of the people already there.
    The Nahuatl-speaking tribes and the Mayans told the Spaniards that a people called Tamoan-chan or Tamuan-chan also mixed with the Olmecs. These would be people from some part of Oceania, such as Samoa or New Zealand. (See Garibay’s Llave del Nahuatl.) The word “Chan” meant “Place of Snakes”
    In the 1950s, I visited a strange rock formation near Tepoztlan, Morelos, resembling a badly eroded Sumerian statue. Some people think it is just a natural formation, but I do not. There are other man-made formations near it, that are definitely not Aztec.
    ........
    Eine Verwandtschaft ist sicher da, da die heutigen Indianer Amerikas sehr wahrscheinlich über die Beringstrasse rüber gewandert sind..
    nur sind hier die "echten" Türken gemeint und nicht die Türkei-Türken die mit fast jedem Volk dieser Erde vermischt sind...aber dennoch sollte man zu seinen Vorfahren stehen und sie nicht verleugnen...






    hier hast du eine türkische schamanen zerimonie aus sibirien:


  8. #8
    Magic
    Diese türkischen fantasien wie z.B. mit den Olmeken sind zu weit hergeholt

    Die asiatischen einwanderer kamen vor 15.000-20.000 Jahren aus Ost,Südostasien nach Amerika eingewandert,es ist nicht auszuschliessen das eineige Zentralasiaten mit an Bord waren,jedoch geht man davon aus das es eher Menschen aus Ostsibirien,China,Japan,Vietnam,Malaysia,Indonesie n(Südostasien)...etc waren was die Haplogruppen noch bestätigen(z.B. "B" ist die häufigste)
    Aber ihre Profile entwickelten sich in Amerika wo sich auch ihre Haut und ihr Aussehen veränderte also den neuen klimatischen Verhältnissen anpasste

    Noch wichtiger ist zu diesen zeiten gab es keine Völker wie türken oder hellenen
    Man kann eher von Menschengruppen sprechen(Haplogruppen)

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    Zitat Zitat von Magic Beitrag anzeigen
    Diese türkischen fantasien wie z.B. mit den Olmeken sind zu weit hergeholt
    das sind keine türkischen fantasien, diese theorie stellt ein amerikanischer professor - gene d. matlock auf, von ihm stammt dieser artikel.

    Die asiatischen einwanderer kamen vor 15.000-20.000 Jahren aus Ost,Südostasien nach Amerika eingewandert,es ist nicht auszuschliessen das eineige Zentralasiaten mit an Bord waren,jedoch geht man davon aus das es eher Menschen aus Ostsibirien,China,Japan,Vietnam,Malaysia,Indonesie n(Südostasien)...etc waren was die Haplogruppen noch bestätigen(z.B. "B" ist die häufigste)
    Aber ihre Profile entwickelten sich in Amerika wo sich auch ihre Haut und ihr Aussehen veränderte also den neuen klimatischen Verhältnissen anpasste

    Noch wichtiger ist zu diesen zeiten gab es keine Völker wie türken oder hellenen
    Man kann eher von Menschengruppen sprechen(Haplogruppen)
    das mit der genetischen gemeinsamkeit zwischen den turkvölkern und den ureinwohnern amerikas ist heute schon längst erwiesen, aber daraus sollte man keine verrückten thesen aufbauen, um irgendwelchen pan-turanisten den steilbügelhalter zu spielen.

    hier mal ein russischer wissenschaftler, mit der letzen studie dazu.
    By Judith Matloff

    Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor


    Moscow - A leading Russian geneticist claims he has taken a giant step toward identifying the precise origin of native Americans, based on his genetic studies of the Tuvan people in Siberia.

    Ilya Zakharov, deputy director of Moscow's Vavilov Institute of General Genetics, says an expedition he led last year proved a DNA link between American Indians and the Ak-Dovorak region 2,100 miles southeast of Moscow.

    The idea of a Siberian connection is not new. But Dr. Zakharov says he has nailed it down.

    "This is a big breakthrough,'' he told the Monitor. "We had examined a lot of populations before --- and by pure chance the results proved it was the Tuvans."

    He says he believes DNA matches in two neighbouring regions may be even greater.

    Tuva today is one of Russia's poorest and most mysterious regions, with ancient cultural traditions that include shamanism. The area, bridging Siberia's huge taiga forest and the steppes, or plains, lies north of Mongolia.

    The Tuvans are mainly Turkic-speaking nomadic pastoralists who herd camels, yaks, sheep, goats, and reindeer. Tuva formed part of the Chinese empire in the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Scientists have long established that some 30,000 to 40,000 years ago people of some Asian roots migrated across the ice sheets of Siberia's Bering Strait to Alaska, probably in pursuit of animals such as wooly mammoths. Some recent reports have pointed to genetic links between indigenous peoples of the Pacific Rim and Siberians.

    Previously geneticists speculated that America's first inhabitants, numbering perhaps no more than 5,000 people, originally came from Northern China or Mongolia.

    But Zakharov says his team was able to greatly narrow the focus with hair samples taken from about 430 Tuvans. DNA data from the hair roots was analyzed and then compared with that of Eskimos and Amerindian people including the Navajo and Apache.

    What Zakharov found was that the Amerindian DNA makeup exactly matched the Tuvans --- by 72 percent of one group of 30 samples and 69 percent of another group of 300.

    "This represents the highest frequencies of Amerindian DNA types ever found," he says. "Several years ago some American, Russian, and Mongolian scientists investigated Mongolian and Chinese populations. the frequency of the same DNA type was nearer to 45 percent."

    The geneticist now wants to look at the DNA makeup of people from the Khakassia and Altai regions, which border on Tuva. These people are also Turkic speaking, and may even have a higher DNA match with Amerindians, he believes

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    Zitat Zitat von Magic Beitrag anzeigen
    Aber ihre Profile entwickelten sich in Amerika wo sich auch ihre Haut und ihr Aussehen veränderte also den neuen klimatischen Verhältnissen anpasste

    das mit der "rassenforschung" müssen wir dem weißen "big al" alias dallas überlassen, unser "aryan vanguard" wird uns bestimmt gründlich aufklären.

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