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Standford Uni: Albanische Geschichte ist eine Fälschung

Erstellt von lupo-de-mare, 07.08.2005, 19:54 Uhr · 249 Antworten · 20.965 Aufrufe

  1. #231

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    Zitat Zitat von Illyria Beitrag anzeigen
    zuvor wurde doch festgestellt, daß es so nicht ist.
    Wieso nun der erneute Ausfall in die Überheblichkeit?

  2. #232

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    Zitat Zitat von Illyrian-Boy Beitrag anzeigen
    wir albaner sind vom himmel gefallen wisst ihr !! uns hat gott persöhnlich von oben runtergelassen nicht so wie euch
    dafür, daß die Religion in Albanien angeblich keine Rolle spielen soll, habt ihr euch einen Verbündeten ausgesucht, der das alles anders sieht, als ihr es proklamiert.

  3. #233
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    sind Bosnier und Kroaten warscheinlich auch es geht darum das sich Albaner als direkte nachfahren der Illyrier fühlen und das deren sprache und Nation(also die leute) gröstenteils homogen geblieben sind das die albaner keine slawen sind das wissen wir ja

  4. #234

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    Der Albanische Professor Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich dokumentiert die Geschichts Fälschungen der Albaner, in der hoch angesehenen Amerikanischen Universität Standford.

    Der Albanische Nationalismus beruht auf Historischen Fälschungen

    A) Die Albaner kamen erst im 9-10 Jahrhundert nach Christi und nach den Slaven, Serben in den Balkan und besiedelte die Gegend von Albanien, wo damals Serben, Griechen und Mazedonier lebten. Sie kamen über Rumänien und Bulgaren in den West Balkan
    B) Die gesamte Albanische Sprache ist aus vielen Sprachen zusammen gesetzt
    C) Die Albaner expandierten erst in den letzten 2-3 Jahrhunderten in die Nachbar Länder
    D) Nur die Albaner Banditen und Sozial Faschistischen Albaner benutzen die Geschichts Fälschungen von einem Gross Albanien.
    "the greateralbanians, and the streets of the cities,
    unfortunately, are still patrolled by gangsters:!: :!: :!: who, in the service of the social-fascist band, are ready to hit
    anyone with a brick on the head or with a bullet in the forehead!"

    "Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - On the territory of today’s Albania, as has already been confirmed by the
    most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some, first settled the Slavs. In 548
    A.D. they enter also in Durrachium (Drach, Durrls). The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and
    Bulgaria much later, IX-X century:!: :!: :!: . In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all
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    mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names.
    When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and today’s Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to
    take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with serbian and macedonian toponyms:!: :!: :!: . Just as an
    example I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Korça (Korcha), Çorovoda (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad,
    Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others."

    "As it is known, the Albanians have a strongly developed power of
    assimilation:!: :!: :!: . That a good part of them by origin is Serbs:!: :!: :!: , Macedonians or Montenegrins,"

    From the Macedonian daily newspaper Vest.
    Vitomir Dolinski: An interview with the persecuted albanian academic prof. Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich
    The Albanian racism towards the neighbours is based on historical falsifications
    VD: - You are regarded as a unique, albanian Mandela,
    but also as a political prisoner-record holder on the
    Balkan. For the insufficiently informed, at the beginning,
    tell us briefly about this?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In former Yugoslavia I was
    sentenced two years strict imprisonment, allegedly for
    propaganda against the socialism and the “brotherhood and
    unity”. After I served the punishment to the last day in the jail
    Idrizovo, wishing to escape to the Soviet Union I got stuck in
    Albania with which the USSR exactly those days severed its
    diplomatic relations. After the ten-year internment I was arrested
    by the albanian authorities and sentenced 43 years of a most
    monstrous imprisonment, again allegedly for antigovernment
    propaganda, in possession of some revolver without license,
    preparing to escape and for insulting the investigator. Thus, in
    total I am sentenced 45 years, of which 37 for antigovernment
    propaganda, with which I think that I am the most heavily
    sentenced political prisoner on the Balkan and maybe I am a unique world record holder. Actually, if it
    wasn’t for the (political) changes in Albania I would probably have still been in jail today. To this sentence
    needs to be added the severed marriage in Yugoslavia, in which fortunately I didn’t have any children and
    also the second marriage, in Albania, in which I had two children. During the whole time of my incarceration,
    not only that I wasn’t allowed to see my children, but I didn’t even know if they were alive. No one was
    allowed to visit me, or to give me a piece of bread. Not even the other prisoners. Those who did that were
    punished and the poet Gani Shkudra, who came to see me, not only that they didn’t allow him to see me,
    but in front of the jail, on the spot, they arrested him and sentenced him with 10 years imprisonment,
    allegedly for political propaganda. The only transgression attributed to him in the accusation is recorded as:
    “he had gone to the jail Burel to see the public enemy Kaplan Resuli and brought him bread”. While I was
    languishing in the infamous jail Burel, ten times they skinned me alive, literally, wanting from me to abandon
    my yugoslavian (montenegrin) citizenship, the yugoslavian (montenegrin) nationality, my ideals, even my
    children. They were forcing me to declare myself an Albanian, not only as citizen, but in nationality
    (ethnicity). Several times they attempted to liquidate me, even after I was released from jail, three times
    they have attempted to assassinate me – twice in Tirana and once in Geneva. The Albanians themselves, not
    only my friends, but even the others who were antagonistic towards me, while I was in my jail cells,
    pronounced me an albanian Mandela. Even my most open adversary, the albanian writer Ismail Kadare,
    those days, the beginning of the nineties, in his attempts to befriend the european circles and Amnesty
    International who were involved in my freeing, did not shirk from naming me a martyr and a hero of
    VD: - Before we turn towards that period and to Your specific relationship with the most
    famous, but undoubtedly the most controversial person of the albanian academy, as well,
    Ismail Kadare, lets return to the most important phases of your creative activities which led to
    Your wider literary and scientific affirmation?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In Dubrovnik in 1952 I published the poem “Bojana” in which I openly
    named Yugoslavia and Albania, Golgotha, in which the people struggle and suffer. I was instantly called on
    the phone by my “countryman” Milovan Gjilas who then threatened me that he will squeeze my head so
    hard that instead of singing I would begin to wail. And it turned out thus. I hear in Yugoslavia he is regarded
    as the No.1 dissident. If truly there is no other person, then I know that I was that at least a little bit before
    VD: - Your first jail sentence, unfortunately, occurred to You in Macedonia, where for some time
    in that period You worked as an educator?
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    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Yes, I was a tutor in Tetovo when they arrested me. As it can be seen
    from the charges, in Macedonia I had done nothing wrong. I was accused that, allegedly, I had been
    involved in an antigovernment propaganda in Montenegro. And because I was and am a montenegrin
    citizen, the court proceedings should have been there, in my birth town of Ulcinj. The reason for my
    prosecution in Tetovo was that there I didn’t have any relatives and UDBa (yugoslavian state security),
    which knew that I am absolutely innocent, was afraid that my prosecution among my Ulcinj people could
    provoke some unwanted problems. For that reason it ordered my prosecution in Tetovo, behind closed
    doors. Although I am not from Tetovo, the people of this town, especially my students knew me well, as a
    professor and as a writer. Along the streets of the town from the court to the jail I was greeted with an open
    support from many of them and most likely for many of them it will be interesting to know that the key
    UDBa witness against me was then their collaborator, now allegedly a big fighter for the albanian cause,
    Adem Demaçi. The state prosecutor in his concluding talk, accusing me as “agens spiritus” of the
    yugoslavian youth against the regime and seeking to be charged as such, stated that I had been and hoped
    that I will continue to be in future, as well, a “constructive citizen” of Yugoslavia. It is interesting that Fatos
    Nano (albanian socialist premier) after my release from jail, here in Geneva described me as a “constructive
    citizen” of Albania, asking me to return there, in Tirana.
    VD: - Your first more significant life’s disappointment, You said, implanted in You the idea to
    leave for the Soviet Union, but fate wanted again to play with you in a brutal fashion and
    “retain” You many years in the albanian jail Burel?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - True, that was some time after my completion of the jail sentence in
    Idrizovo. Burel was not a jail, but a place of horror. While in Idrizovo they would say “You are not here for
    us to fatten you up, but to count your bones” in Burel it was: “This place is called Burel, where one can get
    in, but can not get out”.
    VD: - The numerous works which You wrote here most likely helped You to strengthen your
    spirit and, eventually, to survive. Actually, exactly here is created your most famous work, the
    novel “Treason”?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - From approximately 200,000 pages written during those thirty years, half
    of them I succeeded in transferring out of jail and to have them here, in Geneva. The other part was taken
    from me by the authorities and I have no idea what has happened with them. The novel “Treason”,
    otherwise, the Albanians themselves proclaimed it as a masterpiece of the albanian literature. One of the
    most eminent albanian critics, Prof. Tajar Zavaljani, even described it as the only worthy work published in
    Albania after World War II. That type of reception for the novel in Albania and amongst the albanian
    diaspora perturbed Enver Hoxha (Hodzha) who was attempting to establish his likeminded relative Ismail
    Kadare as the greatest albanian literary. That is why all of a sudden they “discovered” that I had not written
    the novel, attempting even to physically eliminate me, but it had been the work of Adem Demaçi (Demaky),
    for whom they were hoping that, in the meantime, he would perish in the yugoslavian jails. Since Demaçi
    got out of jail alive and I also survived, now, via the printed media, they have widened a campaign against
    me, unseen in the history of mankind, which, imagine, the novel had been written for me by UDBa, in order
    to establish myself with it in Albania and thus usurp the government from Enver.
    V.D. - Thus far twice, in similar context, You mentioned Kadare and I would like to remind You
    of 1991 when Amnesty International, as well, engages in the requests for Your release from jail
    and, absurdly, the one who attempted to block it was none other, but Kadare. How, actually,
    could that be explained?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Kadare is catapulted in the West by Ramiz Alija and the widow of Enver
    Hoxha, with a well planned mission. At that time it was only one of his missions – to diminish my credibility
    amongst the albanian public and the diaspora, fearing that I may unmask them, spoiling their future plans.
    For that reason, not only in private, as was the case with Adem Demaçi, but also publicly, at meetings and
    via the printed media he barked against me and would accuse me, as they were instructing him from Tirana.
    Kadare and Demaçi are the main conspirators in of the most monstrous demonstrations in the history of
    mankind, when they strirred the albanian professors and students at Prishtina university to demonstrate in
    February 1991 against my release from jail.
    VD: - On the subject “Kadare” You have up till now written much, to which special attention in
    the albanian public, but also in the european community have attracted Your books “The true
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    face of Ismail Kadare” and “The lies do not alter the truth”. When, actually, began Your rivalry
    and what is, as You have mentioned, his well planned mission?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In these books, actually, with documents and with facts, but also with his
    own self confessions, I have proven that he is catapulted in the West as an agent of Sigurimi (albanian state
    security), because he was that from always. As a principal ideolog of Enver, with secret interpretations on
    our works he was “passing judgment” for our maltreatments, internments and arrests. Actually, this was
    publicly stated, on Albanian Radio-Television in 1996 by the former head of Sigurimi, Zylfiar Ramizi, verifying
    that Kadare was in their service under the pseudonym General. He was a provocateur trained by Sigurimi to
    accuse anyone who, according to him, stood in his way, as he did that with me. And why? Because
    academic professor Dimitar Suterilji, in his principal paper which he read out at the second Congress of
    Albanian Writers, placed my name and novel before his. At one plenum of the Union in 1966 I openly
    criticised him, which enraged him, as he was not used to being criticised. Much later, after my release from
    jail, a major from Sigurimi involved in my arrest openly declared that, although totally innocent, they had
    arrested me because they had received a secret 12-page long accusation against me and my activities,
    exactly from Kadare. In the meantime, he totally put his pen and talent in the service of his benefactor
    Enver whose political speeches he was transforming into poems and novels. I don’t know if you are aware of
    the fact that Kadare published a complimentary poem lauding Enver’s “patriotic” dog, which somewhere at
    the border catches and pulls apart some unfortunate Albanian, only because the poor soul attempted to
    escape from Enver’s paradise. These are only a few pieces of evidence about the moral profile of the “great”
    literary and “certain” Nobel prize winner Ismail Kadare, whose main preoccupation today is to poison and
    deceive the West with the albanian historical falsifications about the alleged famous illiryan-albanian past
    and culture, which, what absurdity, had suffered multi-centuries harm from the activities of its surrounding
    barbaric “slavic” peoples.
    VD: - This is, I think, an opportune moment to begin our discussion for Your third, certainly an
    important segment, as well, of Your writings – the scientific-research work. You have published
    numerous works from the sphere of the albanian historiography and linguistics, which brought
    You significant prestige, scientific titles and also an honorary membership in the Albanian
    Science Academy. When did actually begin Your scientific interest for the Albanology?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Already in 1995 at the university of Skopje it became clear to me that
    there will not be peace on the Balkan until the albanian question is clarified. For that reason I switched from
    the law faculty to the albanological studies and here, contrary to what was being said and written not only
    by the albanian, but also by our, yugoslavian scholars, contrary to what is being taught not only in the
    albanian language schools (in Albania, as well as in Macedonia), but also in the schools of “south-slavic”
    languages, I discovered that not only the Albanians are not autochthonous people, but they are also not
    related in any way to the Pelasgians or the Illyrians. Understandably, not one of the professors in albanology
    has said this to me. They still continued with the tale that allegedly Albanians are autochthonous pelasgoillyrian
    descendants. I discovered that by chance, studying the albanian language, which, all agree, is of the
    type SATEM. According to that global division of languages, researching the illyrian language I discovered
    that it is of the type KENTUM. The most elementary logic was saying to me that one SATEM language can
    not be a direct descendant, not even a kind of derivative of some KENTUM language, without a change of its
    substrate. Since the albanian language does not have any changes in its substrate, that means that the
    Albanians can’t be, under any circumstance, genealogical descendants of the Illyrians. Later I discovered
    this, as well, in the works of the world renown professors and scholars Paul, Hirt, Vaigand, Tomashek,
    Georgiev, Puscariu and many others, who with numerous scholarly arguments, linguistic and historical, have
    proven that the Albanians not only do not have anything in common with the Illyrians, not only that they are
    not autochthonous at any place in the Balkan, but they are not even autochthonous in the territories of
    modern day Albania. Vaigand for example has formulated 12 arguments. To all of those I’ve added another
    five. Unfortunately, these scientists are not being mentioned in (the study) Albanology, nor in Albania, nor
    aret they mentioned in Yugoslavia, or in Macedonia, because the albanian professors consciously hide the
    truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead of it (the truth), to their pupils and students they serve
    up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin. Via those lies they poison the whole nation. This is not
    done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations, thus, hooking
    them on the “fishing line” of some invented, wide ethnic territories, to use them as cannon fodder for the
    interests of some criminalised leaders and the international Capital.
    The primary motive that inspired me to oppose the albanian pseudo science about their illyrian origin was
    the truth, the love for the truth, my special inclination towards it, but second and equally as important
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    motive was the fact that, watching the Albanians being breast-fed with chauvinism and racism, are being
    encouraged to fight their neighbouring peoples (nations), I was hoping that if the truth is explained to them,
    they will move away from the tales, legends and myths about their autochthony and illyromania, thus
    ceasing with their inexcusable and baseless hatred towards their neighbours.
    VD: - How did the albanian public receive Your albanological research and discoveries?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Once even Enver Hoxha was forced to admit that the albanian science
    lacks scientific objectivity. The albanian poet Mimoza Erebara in the Science Academy asked them directly
    what was the situation with my scientific discoveries. They had told her: “We know that very well even
    before Kaplan, but now is not the time for all of that to be told” Since in the publication “YLBERI” (comes
    out since 1993, in Geneva) and especially through my albanological collection THE ILLYRIANS AND THE
    ALBANIANS I demonstrated in written form my points of view, the albanian academic Vincents Golleti, in the
    printed media stated: “The stances of Kaplan Burovikj about the albanological problems, especially on the
    problem of the origin of the Albanians, need to be greeted most warmly, while the studies which he
    publishes in relation with those problems should be propagated throughout the whole of the scholarly
    world”. After him followed the albanian scholar Dr. Adrian Qosi who in the middle of Tirana openly opposed
    the hypothesis about the illyrian origin of the Albanians. With me agreed, via the printed media, several
    other younger scholars of whom I would especially mention Fatos Ljubonja, Prof. Adrian Vebiu and others. I
    can say that today appeared a group of new albanian scholars who do not agree with the false myths and
    courageously accept the scientific truth. I am proud that I lead this group and that they took up from me the
    necessary scholarly courage. Because, believe me, that is not easy at all, as the extreme albanian
    nationalists, chauvinists and racists led by Ismail Kadare, through the most severe forms of chicanery and
    satanising are attempting to silence us at any cost. The mentioned Dr Adrian Klosi when he stated that the
    hypothesis for the illyrian origin of the Albanians is unfounded, added: “But it is better not to talk about that
    because they will declare us anti Albanians”. And they did.
    VD: - Since when actually dates the oldest evidence for the existence of the Albanians and the
    albanian language?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The oldest evidenced text in an albanian language is “Formula ë paleximit”
    (Formula for communion), translated from Latin in 8-11-1462 by the Montenegrin Pavle Angjelich, whom the
    Albanians have albanised with the name Pal Engylli. The first book in albanian is “Meshari” (The Book of
    Thoughts), a manual for religious sermons, dates from 1555 and is written by the Croatian Ivan Buzuk and
    published in Montenegro. And, understandably, they albanise him with the name Gjon Buzuku. For your
    information, the first primer in albanian, after the proclamation of the albanian independence is a work of
    “Slavs” and Vlachs. Dositej Obradovich is the first in history who opens a school in albanian language, while
    it was exactly Serbia which was the first state to recognise independent Albania. The Macedonians have a
    significant input in the development of the albanian culture. For example, one of the oldest publishers in
    Albania is the Macedonian Petar Budi (1566-1622) who has published three books in albanian, and also a
    Macedonian is Jovan Kukuzel, whom the Albanians have claimed as their own and have albanised with the
    name Jan Kukuzeli, although it is known that when he was born in Drach, XI century, here there still is not
    even one Albanian. Let me remind you also of Grigor Prlichev (1830-1893) who for some time is a teacher in
    Tirana and published the wonderful poem “Skenderbeg”. Undeniable is the fact that always at the forefront
    of all of their positive processes the Albanians had namely non Albanians. Lets mention, as well, at this
    opportune time only Georgi Kastriot – Skenderbeg, of an undeniable “slavic” ancestry, Naim Frasheri (a
    Vlach, an albanian national poet) or Fan Noli (a Greek, whose real name is Theofanos Mavromatis), Petar
    Bogdan, a Serb, or Ismail Kemali, a Turk who was proclaiming the albanian independence in 1912. As you
    can see, the foundations of the albanian culture and statehood are laid by non Albanians, from which a large
    number are “Slavs”, but that does not stand in the way of the albanian nationalists, or “marxists-leninists”,
    all the same, to thump their chests and declare that they have achieved everything by themselves and that
    the other people (nations), especially the “Slavs” have only been their enemies.
    VD: - Undeniable is the fact that in Albania the toponyms are, say, without exception “slavic”.
    To what is that owed?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - On the territory of today’s Albania, as has already been confirmed by the
    most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some, first settled the Slavs. In 548
    A.D. they enter also in Durrachium (Drach, Durrls). The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and
    Bulgaria much later, IX-X century. In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all
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    mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names.
    When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and today’s Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to
    take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with serbian and macedonian toponyms. Just as an
    example I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Korça (Korcha), Çorovoda (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad,
    Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others.
    VD: - In the macedonian community little is known that more than 90 percent of the lexical
    fund of the albanian language are words taken up from other languages. You especially have
    analysed the subject of the “slavisms” in the albanian language. It would be interesting some
    more to be said about this?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - For the first time I graduated in Skopje, exactly with the theme “Slavisms
    in the albanian language”. The second diploma, as well, at the university of Tirana, I defended with a
    linguistic theme. Especially in “The Dictionary of the Albanian Language in Ulcinj” I have elaborated the
    etymology of all words. Actually, it can be supposd that if the Turks did not come to the Balkans, the
    albanian language in not more than 100-200 years would have been completely “slavicised”. The serbian,
    macedonian and bulgarian languages have penetrated so much into the albanian language that they have
    flooded not only the lexicon, but they have displaced its phonetics, morphology and syntax. Besides the
    significant cultural prestige of these languages compared to the albanian, this is also due to the significant
    albanisation of not a small number of Serbs, Macedonians and Montenegrins, especially the ones who were
    previously islamised. As it is known, the Albanians have a strongly developed power of
    assimilation. That a good part of them by origin is Serbs, Macedonians or Montenegrins, is witnessed by
    their patrons, surnames, but many of them even today speak their “slavic” language. In Albania there are
    whole regions along the border, especially towards Macedonia, settled with a compact “slavic” population,
    which is even more numerous, lets say, than the Albanians in Macedonia.
    VD: - Lets talk a little also about the numerous ethnonyms which from the albanian side, often
    baselessly, are forced as synonyms. How come so many ethnic names for the Albanians?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - That, as well, witnesses the ethnogenesis of the Albanians after their
    arrival on the Balkan and populating the northern albanian mountains. I have already mentioned about the
    Illyrians, but the second ethnonym to which they pretend, the Dardanians, it is known, were not Illyrians,
    but Thracians. Even if they (Dardanians) had been Illyrians, again they haven’t any connection with the
    Albanians, because that kind of connection neither have the Illyrians themselves. Science has proven that
    very clearly. In respect of the Albanoi(an)s, they are a celtic tribe which on the territory of Albania, in the
    region Mat, arrives in the IV century BC. Today’s Albanians, actually, only much, much later take over their
    name, as have done today’s Bulgarians from the non slavic Bulgars of Asparuh, or today’s French, from the
    old germanic Franks, deforming the old celtic name Arlbn/Arlbr. Arbanasi is the other name with which our
    ancestors the “Slavs” are naming them during the Middle Ages. Arnauts is the name which the Turks use for
    them. It should be known that not all Arnauts were at the same time Albanians, as well. Because the
    Arnauts (Albanians) got a reputation as good hired hands in the turkish empire, the other mercenaries were
    also called Arnauts. That means that there were Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians ARNAUTS, because
    some of them are also islamised, thus as muslims they serve under the turkish flag not only as common
    soldiers, but also as arnauts (mercenaries). Skiptar (or Shiptar and deformed Shiftar, all originate from the
    albanian appellative Shqipltar) is the current national name of the Albanians, spread amongst them in the
    XVII-XIX century, influenced by the name Osman, as the Turks were naming themselves. Namely, osman in
    turkish is “eagle”, while in albanian it is “shquipe”. Thus the Albanians of muslim faith wanted to relate
    themselves with the muslims Turks, which was also the aim of the Porte, even of the original platform of the
    Prizren League, which originally is not albanian at all, but pan islamic. And if its primary aims succeeded,
    most probably the Albanians would not exist today because all of them in the meantime would have become
    VD: - Here as well, is the known division Ghegs-Toscs from which originates the known
    language question which, it seems, still has not been overcome by the Albanians?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The language question in Albania is not settled even today. Although
    formally (and by force) Enver Hoxha established as a common, official language the Tosc dialect (until then
    it was the Gheg dialect), the Ghegs have not given up. They still continue to speak and write in their dialect,
    although they are persecuted and maltreated because of it. When in 1965 in Albania I published the novel
    “Treason” in the Gheg dialect the Albanians of northern Albania openly requested the language of this book
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    to be declared as the literary and official language of Albania. That too was one of the reasons for my
    satanisation which still continues. You should know that the difference between the Tosc and the Gheg
    dialects is much bigger than the differences between some “slavic” languages, for example the macedonian
    and the serbian. From another side, more Albanians, about two thirds, speak in gheg, which is lexically
    richer, purer and also has much greater expressional opportunities. With the enforcement of the tosc dialect,
    which was of a pure political nature (motive), a crime has been perpetrated against the Albanians and their
    VD: - One of the fallacies (delusions), unfortunately, it seems somehow silently accepted even
    outside of Albania is the so called monolithic nature of the albanian population in the Republic
    of Albania in which allegedly live 97-98% ethnic Albanians, for which You have already said
    something previously. What is, according to You, the reality in that respect in Albania?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - When Albania is proclaimed and recognised as an independent nation
    (1912-1913) its population numbered 700,000 of which hardly 50% were Albanians, while the other half was
    made up of Vlachs (around 20%), “Slavs” (Macedonians, Serbs, Montenegrins, around 15%),Greeks
    (around5%) and others (Turks, Roms, Cherkesians, Italians, Jews and others, around 10%). With the
    passing of time, mostly by force, with denial of all national rights, including the right to speak in their own
    languages at home, or to carry their own national family names, they are to a certain extent assimilated.
    But, even besides the such forced albanisation, in Albania even today over 30% of the population speaks a
    non albanian language and retains its non albanian national identity, although they are registered as
    Albanians, as they are not permitted to declare differently. The non albanian origins of the population of
    Albania is also evident from their surnames Bello, Blushi, Bogdani, Buda, Budi, Dida, Dobraci, Dragovoja,
    Dragusha, Haveri(ch), Kapisuzi(ch), Mexi, Millani, Milloshi, Mojsiu, Muzaka, Najdeni, Peku, Prela, Ruka, Sillil,
    Shkura, Shundi, Ziu and many others.
    VD: - In Your research You have also paid special attention to the ethnic expansion of the
    Albanians in the past 2-3 centuries towards its neighbouring (serbian, macedonian, greek and
    others) regions, for which now, the last several decades, to begin to proclaim exactly them as
    their “ethnic territories” in which they allegedly lived from eternity?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - This truly is absurd and, in any case it is good that there remain numerous
    proofs for their undeniable expansion, which I have integrally collected and published in my study “The
    origins of the Albanians in Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece”. One needs to be objective and tell
    the truth, not because of the truth itself, but because it will contribute toward overcoming of the many
    problems on the Balkan. That the Albanians only in the past couple of centuries have expanded admitted
    publicly, via the printed media, the most eminent contemporary albanian scientist, academic professor Elrem
    Cabej (Tsabej), who, forced by the numerous arguments, was unable, but to conclude that today’s
    territories on which the Albanians live are not “a zone of RESTRICTION”, but “a zone of EXPANSION”. And
    not only he! That also is verified in the “HISTORIA Ë SHQIPERISË” itself, compiled by the albanian scientists
    VD: - Recently from Tirana were launched some “evidences” about an existence of 14 million
    Albanians. Amongst the numerous “Albanians” who had indebted the world civilisation was
    included, as well, Alexander of Macedonia!?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - I’ve read that, as well. The albanian academic, Prof. Dr Skender Rizaj once
    even in his “scientific” works stated that, also all Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosnians and
    Herzegovians are, in reality, “slavicised” Albanians. By that method we should “admit” that they are not only
    14, but possibly even 140 millions. I have already published a study about the “scientific” work “The Illyrians
    spoke albanian – The Albanians speak illyrian” published by Preloc Margiljaj. I would like to present for this
    suitable moment only a few short quotes which can also be found in other albanian historical-linguistic
    “experts”: “The Albanians are one of the oldest nations (peoples) in Europe” (page 438) “it is clear that
    Crete is the first fireplace of culture and civilisation in the aegean region and in Europe. Crete from the
    forgotten times of the past was settled with the pelasgian, rather the illyrian or albanian people, thus in
    Crete ruled the albanian language, which in other words, is the starting point and the first source of the
    european culture and civilisation”. (page296). Starting from this, this albanian “scientist” wants the albanian
    language to be taught in all schools around the world as a compulsory language because, according to him,
    without knowing that language it would not be possible to comprehend the world culture(!?). In respect of
    Alexander of Macedonia, even Enver Hoxha has written that he is an Albanian, expressing that also in one
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    discussion with the indian ambassador in Tirana, as if personally he, Enver, had sent him to India, even as
    an ambassador to establish friendly relations between these two countries and peoples. These undoubtedly
    racist yearnings of the Albanians are certainly the result of their economic and cultural poverty, of their
    backwardness and late development in comparison with the other nations, amongst which are those of its
    neighbours, I would say of their frustration because of all of that.
    VD: - Do You believe, regardless, in the possibility that the young, unburdened scientists and
    politicians in Albania will accept the reality and they, abandoning the greater albanian dreams,
    to give their own contribution towards the development in real good-neighbourly relations?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - I do believe! I have already cited several names of such young scientists. I
    can also give you names of young politicians unburdened of the greater albanian yearnings. But they still
    don’t have the power for that, except their pens and good intentions, with which they can’t act freely
    because the albanian print media is strictly censured by the greateralbanians, and the streets of the cities,
    unfortunately, are still patrolled by gangsters who, in the service of the social-fascist band, are ready to hit
    anyone with a brick on the head or with a bullet in the forehead!
    VD: - For ten years, as a political emigrant, You have been living in Geneva, Switzerland. Do you
    have an impression that the so called democratic Europe and the West, generally, understand
    our Balkan situations?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Democratic Europe, I’m afraid, at least in respect of us, does not exist at
    all. The antidemocratic one, on the other hand, hand never understood them, nor want to understand our
    Balkan difficulties. Europe was and still is in the service of The Capital. Its “democracy” is only an expression
    of that Capital. It uses our Balkan peoples and situations for penetration (expansion) and for ruling the
    world, for its own battle against the true, real democracy and its carriers.
    VD: - Concordant with Your rich life experience, after all that in the past period happened on
    the Balkan, and which, sadly, culminated with several bloody wars, are You of the opinion that
    all of that, simply, had to happen?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - No! Absolutely not! All of that could and can, even needs to be solved
    without blood. Let the Albanians prove that even Moscow is theirs, thus give them even it. But until they
    prove that, they should not be given even one stone from our fatherlands, not only to prevent them from
    desecrating it, but in order to prevent them from smashing their own heads with it.
    VD: - To conclude, I believe it would be interesting to hear Your prediction how the things
    could be developing in the near future?
    Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The Americans have reached their aim – on the Balkan they have installed
    their military bases. Let us hope that they will not support the terrorism and to use the Albanians as cannon
    fodder. And the Albanians, certainly, in the meantime will wake up and will not allow either the Americans or
    whoever else to use them as such. For that, understandably, with self criticism, all of us need to assist them.
    I hope that for this will also contribute this interview, for which I most sincerely thank you, not as a
    foreigner, but as your brother, because I have always thought of Skopje as my second birth town and
    Macedonia as my second, true fatherland. I use this opportunity to send my greetings to my school friends
    from the Skopje gymnasium “J. B. Tito”, also the personnel from the macedonian embassies in Geneva and
    Tirana with whom I have met many times and keep wonderful memories from the discussions with them,
    especially with the recent (former) ambassador in Albania, Risto Nikovski. Understandably, special greetings
    to my friends and “comrades” from KPD “Idrizovo”.

    As it is known, the Albanians have a strongly developed power of
    assimilation. That a good part of them by origin is Serbs, Macedonians or Montenegrins, is witnessed by
    their patrons - Albaner sind überwiegend assimilierte Serben, Mazedonier oder Montenegriern

    Der link im Eingangs Thred ist der bekannte amtliche Albanische link der festhält das der Ursprung der Albaner unbekannt ist. Also nix Illyrier und sogar amtlich.

    History > Illyrians

    The origins :!: of the Albanian people, as was mentioned before, are not :!: definitely known ,

    Albanian Information -

    Damit ist das Illyrische Geschwätz amtlich geklärt! :!:

    Hat der Tzp ausser bodenlose Behauptungen auch irgendwelche Quellen oder Fakten

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    Achso.. die berühmte "Standford" Uni also...

  6. #236
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    ja das ist es ja ich hätt den tex auch eigentlich sofort abgestempelt aber Die Stanford Uni als quelle also das verleiht der albanski´s keine illyrier sache ne ganz neue wüze und

    OMG in dem text steht das Skenderbeg Slawischer herkunft war,
    Let me remind you also of Grigor Prlichev (1830-1893) who for some time is a teacher in
    Tirana and published the wonderful poem “Skenderbeg”. Undeniable is the fact that always at the forefront
    of all of their positive processes the Albanians had namely non Albanians. Lets mention, as well, at this
    opportune time only Georgi Kastriot – Skenderbeg, of an undeniable “slavic” ancestry, Naim Frasheri (a
    Vlach, an albanian national poet) or Fan Noli (a Greek, whose real name is Theofanos Mavromatis)

    Hab ja nix gegen albaner bin sogar mit ziemlich vielen befreundet
    aber i-wie siehts aus als ob es eigentlich bewiesen wäre das Albaner eben direkte nachfahren der Illyrier sind und das deren sprache wie nicht vorher behauptet aus der illyrischen sondern laut Stanford eine mischsprache ist

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    Liebe Balkanvölker euer (unser) aller Vohrfahren sind GRIECHEN erkennt es endlich an

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    ähm das glaub ich weniger mein Orthodoxer glaubens brüder denk dran die römer waren auch im Balkan und mit denen etliche sklaven aus 100derten von ethnien also erst mal ist es nicht bewiesen das Thraker griechen sind
    quelle wikipedia
    und laut dieser quelle KANN es sein das wir einen gemeinsamen urahn haben und nich von euch abstammen
    Griechische Frühgeschichte [Bearbeiten]
    Einige Forscher gehen davon aus, dass die Thraker auch für die Griechen eine Art Ur- oder Vorbevölkerung darstellen (Protogriechen). Vielleicht sind die Thraker bereits vor den Griechen auch auf das griechische Festland vorgedrungen. Dafür spricht die starke Dominanz thrakischer Götter und Mythen im griechischen Pantheon, Berichte der Autoren des Altertums sowie Orts-, Flur- und Personennamen in Griechenland. Thrakische Stämme wanderten auch nach Kleinasien ein und besiedelten dort Bithynien, Paphlagonien und Mysien. Überhaupt galt den ältesten Griechen Thrakien als das gesamte Gebiet nördlich der griechischen Stämme bis zu den Skythen. Aus ähnlichen Gründen wurde immer wieder ein Zusammenhang zwischen den Thrakern, den Troern und den Phrygern angenommen. Sprachgeschichtlich konnte das nicht bestätigt werden. So nimmt man heute an, dass die Phryger im 12. Jahrhundert v. Chr. über Thrakien nach Kleinasien eingewandert sind. Zahlreiche Orts- und Stammesnamen, sowie die Namen der vorgeschichtlichen Könige Phrygiens sprechen für diese Verbindung, so zum Beispiel Tantalus ca. 1300 v. Chr., Teuphrant um 1300 v. Chr., Teleph, Tarhont, Migdon ca. 1200 v. Chr. (siehe auch: Mythologie

    und schon herodot sagte etwas was größtenteils zutrifft
    Das thrakische Volk ist nach dem indischen das größte der Erde. Wäre es einig und hätte es nur einen Herrscher, so wäre es unbesiegbar und meiner Meinung nach bei weitem das mächtigste Volk, das es gibt. Aber da das unmöglich ist und gewiß niemals von ihnen erreicht werden wird, so sind sie schwach. In jeder Landschaft haben sie einen besonderen Namen, doch sind die Sitten des ganzen Volkes durchweg dieselben

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    Protogriechen sagt doch alles

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    es sagt vllt ein UR oder VORbevölkerung diese theorie ist allerdings nich bestätigt also bis das bestätigt sind sind wir alle keine griechen und selbst wenns so wäre hätt ich kein problem mit schlaues volk mit vielen schlauen köpfen

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