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Die Erfindung von Al Qaida

Erstellt von lupo-de-mare, 03.04.2005, 18:28 Uhr · 89 Antworten · 3.161 Aufrufe

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    Zitat Zitat von Partibrejker
    Zitat Zitat von Markan

    Ich differenziere zwischen Juden und Israelis
    Ich nicht.....Im uebrigen, differenzierst du auch zwischen Vatikan und Katholiken....???
    Ich meinte damit, dass ich mich bemühe, Israel primär als einen Staat wie jeden anderen auch zu sehen, um ihn objektiv und politisch beurteilen zu können. D.h. ich lehne diese Art der Politik ab, ohne mich mit der Staatsreligion auseinandersetzen zu müssen. Israel ist ein zivilisiertes und annähernd gebildetes Land - was den Palästinensern seit Jahrzehnten vorenthalten bleibt - und die Bevölkerung trägt diese Politik größtenteils mit. Daraus könnte man natürlich Rückschlüsse auf das Judentum ziehen...
    Allerdings ist Sharon kein Geistlicher und nicht das geistige Oberhaupt der Juden...

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    Weder die Israelis als Volk noch die Juden an sich sind in irgendeiner Hinsicht eine homogene Masse. Daher würde ich auch keine generellen Rückschlüsse von der Politik Israels auf das Judentum als Religion oder Gemeinschaft ziehen.
    Was Israel da so treibt, ist in meinen Augen zu keinem geringen Teil Ausdruck der Gewaltspirale, in die sich die Israelis verstrickt haben seit sie nach Palästina gekommen sind. Der Zionismus entstand schließlich daraus, daß die Juden in Europa fast überall angefeindet oder sogar verfolgt/ermordet wurden, und vollendete sein Projekt unter dem Eindruck des Holocausts; darauf folgte recht schnell eien ständige militärische Bedrohung durch die Araber, die den neuen Staat sofort wieder von der Landkarte wischen wollten. Also liegt dem Staat von Anfang an ein ungebrochenes existenzielles Bedrohungsgefühl zugrunde.

    :arrow: "Die Junge Welt hingegen bekämpft wütend den Zionismus. Für diese Leute (Artikel von Pirker u.a.) gibt es kein Existenzrecht Israels. Mit der Fixierung auf das „Selbstbestimmungsrecht der Palästinenser“, wird nur den Juden das Recht auf einen eigenen Staat abgesprochen. Sie stellen, indem sie mit dem Kampfbegriff Zionismus agieren, die Juden als einheitlich reaktionäre Masse dar. Für die „Nationalbolschewisten“ gibt es ein positives, historisch im Recht befindliches Volk, die Palästinenser, sowie ein reaktionäres Gegenvolk, die Zionisten (Fast alle Israelis wünschen einen eigenen Staat und sind demzufolge Zionisten). Die Konzeption der Jungen Welt ist völkisch und latent antisemitisch." (Max Brym)

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    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    An negativen Türkenklischees gibt's neben diesen Ey-lan-Schwörer-Muruks ja auch den bösen Islamisten.
    Ich war mal in Mannheim in der Milli-Görüs-Moschee. Der Typ, mit dem wir da geredet haben, war auch recht nett, hat zwar ein bißchen dumm argumentiert, aber egal... Der meinte jedenfalls, türkische Jugendliche, die zu anständigen Moslems erzogen werden, werden mal nicht so kriminelle verhaltensauffällige Eckensteher und Schlägertypen. Siehst Du das auch so?
    Ich finde dagegen, auch wenn sie vielleicht nicht so auffallen wie die Pseudo-Gangsta-Schlägerdeppen, sind sie auch nicht unbedingt in die Gesellschaft integriert. Und ob jetzt ein asozialer Türkenbub auf dem Schulhof deutsche Mitschüler erpresst oder ein anständiger muslimischer seine Schwestern verprügelt, weil sie kein Kopftuch tragen wollen, macht für mich keinen großen Unterschied.
    Und in punkto Frauenbilder sehe ich sogar 'ne Überschneidung: Wer zu Hause beigebracht kriegt, daß anständige Mädchen sich verhüllen, der wird automatisch leichter bekleidete deutsche Mädchen als Schlampen wahrnehmen, oder? Dann ist es auch wieder kein Wunder wenn so Schwörerpack ständig derb europäische Mädels angräbt, weil es sind ja eh bloß Schlampen. Wenn meine deutsche Ex in der Öffentlichkeit derb angegraben bzw. belästigt wurde, waren das fast ausnahmslos Orientalen bzw "Moslems".
    Für mich gibt es auch keinen Unterschied zwischen den Ey-lan-Typen und den sogenannten braven und biederen "Gläubigen", die ihre Schwester verprügeln. Selbst wenn die Schwester eine Hure wäre, darf man sie nicht zusammenschlagen geschweige denn "Im Namen der Ehre" töten.
    Auch gehört es sich nicht, die leichte Bekleidung als Einladung aufzufassen und Frauen zu begrabschen.

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    Zitat Zitat von Kimyager
    Für mich gibt es auch keinen Unterschied zwischen den Ey-lan-Typen und den sogenannten braven und biederen "Gläubigen", die ihre Schwester verprügeln. Selbst wenn die Schwester eine Hure wäre, darf man sie nicht zusammenschlagen geschweige denn "Im Namen der Ehre" töten.
    Auch gehört es sich nicht, die leichte Bekleidung als Einladung aufzufassen und Frauen zu begrabschen.
    So isses.

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    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    Zitat Zitat von Kimyager
    Für mich gibt es auch keinen Unterschied zwischen den Ey-lan-Typen und den sogenannten braven und biederen "Gläubigen", die ihre Schwester verprügeln. Selbst wenn die Schwester eine Hure wäre, darf man sie nicht zusammenschlagen geschweige denn "Im Namen der Ehre" töten.
    Auch gehört es sich nicht, die leichte Bekleidung als Einladung aufzufassen und Frauen zu begrabschen.
    So isses.
    Thanks

    Ich habe eine Landsfrau, die mit ihrem Freund auf einer Party war. Dort traf sie auf einen (verheirateten) Verwandten, der sich auch dort vergnügte (Ehefrau war "brav" zu Hause). Er hatte nichts besseres zu tun, als dem Vater meiner Kollegin brühwarm zu erzählen, dass er ihre Tochter nebst Freund getroffen habe und fragte, ob das Ganze seine Richtigkeit habe.

    Über so etwas rege ich mich echt auf.

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    Sehe ich auch so. Das ist diese typische Art von Heuchelei, die eigentlich nichts mit Religion zu tun hat sondern nur mit Patriarchat. So ähnlich wie das was Feridun Zaimoglu "deutsche Frauen ficken und dann eine anatolische Jungfrau heiraten wollen" nennt.

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    MIT: Al-Quida ist eine verdeckte CIA Operation

    The perfect enemy: Terrorists who can't be caught because they don't really exist or because they're CIA assets

    Der Türkische Geheimdienst MIT

    Man sieht hier erneut, wie der CIA seinen Terror in der Welt verbreitet. Und das die Islamischen Terroristen, eng mit der Organisierten Kriminalität wie dem Drogen Handel verbunden sind und sich hieraus finanzieren ist gut dokumentiert.

    Der Türkische Geheimdienst MIT, hat sich jetzt zu den ganzen Al-Quida
    Getöse geäussert.

    2003 war es aber schon bekannt, weit vor den angeblichen Top
    Experten mit Quellen, das lt. alten angesehenen US Zeitungen, Al-Quida eine Erfindung des US State Departments(sprich CIA) ist denn:

    "Der beste Feind ist der, welcher nicht existiert"

    Turkish Intelligence: Al-Qaeda a U.S. Covert Operation

    by Kurt Nimmo

    August 18, 2005
    One Day in the Empire

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    Consider the following, published in Zaman< construct. artificial
    entirely an is terrorism” against “war neocon the that admit would
    intelligence Turkish interesting It leftists). on blamed warfare,”
    intensity “low or operations, flag false fascist of series a
    (basically Italy in operation terrorist state-sponsored Gladio, to
    reference obvious tension,” “strategy phrase use Note ‘al-Qaeda.’” as
    named tension strategy this subject The order. world mono-polar
    conducted ‘low-intensity-warfare’ background terror’ ‘fighting
    concept operation. service secret name Al-Qaeda Rather, al-Qaeda.
    organization such no there agree specialists agency element but
    speaking, strictly be, not may al-Qaeda possibility emerged Turkey]
    boss regional al-CIA-duh be said Sakra, Louai capture [i.e., fire
    fortuitous from smoke “Amid Turkey: newspaper largest fifth>

    Moreover, according to Turkish intelligence, “Sakra has been sought
    by the secret services since 2000. The US Central Intelligence Agency
    (CIA) interrogated him twice before. Following the interrogation CIA
    offered him employment. He also received a large sum of money by CIA.
    However the CIA eventually lost contact with him.” It is curious how
    alleged key people in the al-CIA-duh network end up working for the
    CIA and other intelligence agencies.

    For instance, Abdurahman Khadr, who (according to ABC News Online)
    “lived side-by-side with Osama bin Laden,” was a “double agent, sent
    to spy on Al Qaeda fighters at Guantanamo Bay and in Bosnia.” Ali
    Mohamed, a former U.S. Army sergeant who trained Osama bin Laden’s
    bodyguards and helped plan the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in
    Kenya, worked for the FBI (Mohamed, obviously with the grace of the
    feds, brought Ayman al-Zawahiri to San Francisco on a covert
    fund-raising mission), according to the San Francisco Chronicle.
    Hamid Reza Zakeri claimed (during the trial of Abdelghani Mzoudi, a
    Moroccan accused of helping the nine eleven hijackers) that “Iran’s
    secret service had contacts with Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda network
    ahead of the September 11 attacks,” according to Reuters. It just so
    happens Zakeri claims the CIA owes him $1.2 for services rendered as
    a double agent. Mullah Krekar, the leader of Ansar al-Islam, told
    al-Hayat newspaper in 2003 he had “a meeting with a CIA
    representative and someone from the American army in the town of
    Sulaymaniya (Iraqi Kurdistan) at the end of 2000. They asked us to
    collaborate with them,” an offer Krekar said he refused. Osama
    Moustafa Hassan Nasr, aka Abu Omar, “a dangerous terrorist who once
    plotted to kill the Egyptian foreign minister,” according to the
    Chicago Tribune, was such a valued CIA asset it was deemed necessary
    to kidnap him off the streets of Milan after he had second thoughts
    about his work. And then there was Muhammad Naeem Noor Khanm, the
    al-Qaeda “computer engineer” who “became part of a sting operation
    organized by the CIA,” according to the Washington Post.

    Of course, all of this CIA funny business is coincidental. Remember,
    the CIA is ineffectual, even if it did create Islamic terrorism—the
    agency actually boasts about this, says the Afghan Mujahideen (aka
    “al-Qaeda”) was its most successful operation to date—and it was
    “intelligence failures” that caused nine eleven.

    Entry Filed under: Politics

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...code=NIM200508
    18&articleId=840

    siehe Beitrag im Mai 2003


    http://www.heise.de/tp/foren/go.shtm...forum_id=42273


    Consider the following, published in Zaman< construct. artificial entirely an is terrorism” against “war neocon the that admit would intelligence Turkish interesting It leftists). on blamed warfare,” intensity “low or operations, flag false fascist of series a (basically Italy in operation terrorist state-sponsored Gladio, to reference obvious tension,” “strategy phrase use Note ‘al-Qaeda.’” as named tension strategy this subject The order. world mono-polar conducted ‘low-intensity-warfare’ background terror’ ‘fighting concept operation. service secret name Al-Qaeda Rather, al-Qaeda. organization such no there agree specialists agency element but speaking, strictly be, not may al-Qaeda possibility emerged Turkey] boss regional al-CIA-duh be said Sakra, Louai capture [i.e., fire fortuitous from smoke “Amid Turkey: newspaper largest fifth>

    Moreover, according to Turkish intelligence, “Sakra has been sought by the secret services since 2000. The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) interrogated him twice before. Following the interrogation CIA offered him employment. He also received a large sum of money by CIA. However the CIA eventually lost contact with him.” It is curious how alleged key people in the al-CIA-duh network end up working for the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

    For instance, Abdurahman Khadr, who (according to ABC News Online) “lived side-by-side with Osama bin Laden,” was a “double agent, sent to spy on Al Qaeda fighters at Guantanamo Bay and in Bosnia.” Ali Mohamed, a former U.S. Army sergeant who trained Osama bin Laden’s bodyguards and helped plan the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya, worked for the FBI (Mohamed, obviously with the grace of the feds, brought Ayman al-Zawahiri to San Francisco on a covert fund-raising mission), according to the San Francisco Chronicle. Hamid Reza Zakeri claimed (during the trial of Abdelghani Mzoudi, a Moroccan accused of helping the nine eleven hijackers) that “Iran’s secret service had contacts with Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda network ahead of the September 11 attacks,” according to Reuters. It just so happens Zakeri claims the CIA owes him $1.2 for services rendered as a double agent. Mullah Krekar, the leader of Ansar al-Islam, told al-Hayat newspaper in 2003 he had “a meeting with a CIA representative and someone from the American army in the town of Sulaymaniya (Iraqi Kurdistan) at the end of 2000. They asked us to collaborate with them,” an offer Krekar said he refused. Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, aka Abu Omar, “a dangerous terrorist who once plotted to kill the Egyptian foreign minister,” according to the Chicago Tribune, was such a valued CIA asset it was deemed necessary to kidnap him off the streets of Milan after he had second thoughts about his work. And then there was Muhammad Naeem Noor Khanm, the al-Qaeda “computer engineer” who “became part of a sting operation organized by the CIA,” according to the Washington Post.

    Of course, all of this CIA funny business is coincidental. Remember, the CIA is ineffectual, even if it did create Islamic terrorism—the agency actually boasts about this, says the Afghan Mujahideen (aka “al-Qaeda”) was its most successful operation to date—and it was “intelligence failures” that caused nine eleven.

    Entry Filed under: Politics

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...&articleId=840

    Al-Qaeda the Database Unbound
    Kurt Nimmo, Another day in the empire

    Saturday November 19th 2005, 9:12 am

    In a lengthy excerpt posted on Wayne Madsen’s site, Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence, explains the origins of the word "al-Qaeda." As previously noted by British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, "al-Qaeda" has nothing to do with a terrorist organization, as the neocons and the corporate media tell us over and over, ad infinitum, but is in fact a database. "In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements," Bunel explains. "It was decided to use a part of the system’s memory to host the Islamic Conference’s database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network." Files associated to the database were called "Q eidat il-Maaloomaat" and "Q eidat i-Taaleemaat" in Arabic. "Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu’ti’aat’ which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for 'base.’"

    Because of the presence of 'rogue states,’ it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states’ used to fight. And the 'rogue states’ included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages…. Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden’s personal property.

    In short, "al-Qaeda" was in essence an email designation and had nothing to do with the "American agent in Afghanistan," Osama bin Laden. In fact, "al-Qaeda," the terrorist organization, is a creation of the United States government and the corporate media.

    Pierre-Henry Bunel concludes:

    The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil’ only in order to drive the 'TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.

    Bunel, according to Madsen, was punished for his heresy. In December, 2001, the former French military intelligence agent was "convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998…. Bunel’s character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system 'got him’ for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group."

    It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

    Riggs Bank was used for "the dubious financial machinations of Saudi diplomats and despots from Africa and South America, including Chile’s former maximum leader, Gen. Augusto Pinochet," according to Jack Shafer, writing for Slate, and citing Glenn R. Simpson of the War Street Journal. Moreover, the Riggs Bank "enjoyed a 'relationship’ with the CIA for some time." As noted by Madsen, Riggs Bank hosted the Bosnian Defense Fund and this financial assistance was tapped by "al-Qaeda" in Bosnia. On October 3, Madsen wrote:

    The Muslim operation in the Balkans was largely supported by official (CIA, DIA, and Special Operations) U.S. assistance but also by unofficial help. This was mainly carried out by private military contractors like MPRI and financial support networks like the Bosnia Defense Fund, established in the mid-1990s at a Riggs Bank account in Washington, DC. The principal movers behind the Bosnian Defense Fund were Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. In fact, Feith’s law firm, Feith and Zell (FANZ) set up the Bosnia Defense Fund. According to a former Riggs legal adviser, when objections were raised about the hundreds of millions of dollars collected from such countries as Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Malaysia, the UAE, Iran, Jordan, and Egypt that were being detected by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN) being sent from Washington to Sarajevo, Bosnia, and reports that there was "spillage" of these funds into the hands of Al Qaeda units in the country, Perle’s response at one contentious meeting was, "just make it fucking happen."

    Indeed, Perle and the Straussian neocons just made it f-ing happen on September 11, 2001, although the money trail is studiously avoided and swept under the rug by the corporate media. It is no secret Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of Bander bin Sultan, had accounts at Riggs Bank and money from these accounts allegedly found its way to two of the nine eleven hijackers. Of course, the Bush nine eleven whitewash commission denied this ever happened and thus this suspicious bit of information found its way to the memory hole (see Dr. David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie). It should be noted here that the Bushites redacted 28 pages from the Congressional Joint Inquiry Report on 9-11 and those pages are assumed to have contained information on the role of Saudi Arabia and another unnamed country (more than likely Pakistan) in financing Osama. Interestingly, however, a reference to a relationship between the supposed hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi and the FBI was allowed to remain in the report (the report states that the putative hijackers "had numerous contacts with a long time FBI counterterrorism informant in California and that a third future hijacker, Hani Hanjour, apparently had more limited contact with the same informant," see Allan P. Duncan, Bush Should Cry Uncle and Release Saudi Info).

    In summary, "al-Qaeda" never existed in the form now claimed by the Bushites and the corporate media, "al-Qaeda" was in fact a database of CIA recruited and trained mujahideen and an email connected to that database, Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with that database and thus all references in the corporate media claiming he is the leader of "al-Qaeda" the fantastical terrorist organization are false (if not deliberately contrived lies), terrorists falsely attributed to "al-Qaeda" were organized by the U.S. military and NATO and financed by a CIA front bank in Washington (connected to two principal Straussian neocon criminals) and unleashed in Bosnia (assisting the drug-running KLA mafia), and the CIA front bank later shared a connection with prominent Saudi Arabians who are suspected of financing the nine eleven hijackers (since the hijackers did not actually exist, this money was probably used elsewhere in the nine eleven operation). All of this information was predictably discarded by nine eleven whitewash commission.

    Of course, none of this arcane information means squat to the American people, many whom believe Osama teamed up with Saddam to pull of nine eleven and "al-Qaeda" is a real terrorist organization run by the elusive "devils" (in Bush’s Manichean parlance) Bin Laden and his murderous cohort, al-Zarqawi. In fact, the official story is so embedded in the American psyche, thanks to the relentless efforts of the corporate media, it may never be possible for the truth to emerge.

    Sooner or later, the neocons and their cardboard cut-out of a half-witted president will chime their Pavlovian bells—bells associated with the explosion of a "radiological device" or a series of black op suicide bombings in the American heartland—and our Emmanuel Goldstein du jour, al-Zarqawi, will be blamed and the process will start anew, with shock and awe in Syria or Iran.


    :: Article nr. 18005 sent on 19-nov-2005 23:37 ECT

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m18005&da...2005_23:37_ECT

    Don't Politicize Terrorism



    By David Ignatius
    Tuesday, August 17, 2004; Page A15

    The mixing of anti-terrorism policy with the 2004 presidential campaign is becoming destructive. It is creating a vicious cycle of hype, skepticism and mistrust that puts the country's security at risk.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug16.html

    Und schon in 2003 wurde diese verdeckte Operation des CIA in Amerikan geoutet.

    Sunday, May 18, 2003
    Local Time: 12:46:46 AM



    The perfect enemy: Terrorists who can't be caught because they don't really exist or because they're CIA assets
    Posted on: 5/12/2003 11:50:00 AM - Columnist




    War provides the perfect cover for those waging it to commit crimes
    against not only enemies but also friends. Amid the patriotic flag
    waving and somber ceremony, the populace is cowed into distraction
    and for the most part will not see the chicanery and manipulation
    that not only created the conditions FOR the war, but also will not
    perceive that the purpose OF it is not to defeat the enemy, but to
    financially castrate and sociologically neutralize those who are
    actually helping to wage the war.

    Such is the process by which those in power consolidate their
    advantage among their so-called friends.

    The Christian Crusades of millenia past provide an apt example of
    this deceptive process. With no enemies nearby and a surfeit of armed
    and affluent noblemen itching for aggressive acts, kings and
    ministers of past empires dreamed up external threats by which to
    distract their powerful friends from contemplating revolution.
    Jerusalem and the dark-skinned Muslim realms have always been a
    popular target. The subsequent conflicts not only reaped new riches
    for the warmaking kingdoms, but also depleted the ranks and resources
    of those sent to fight, thereby lessening the potential political
    threat to the very people who dreamed up the wars in the first place.
    Two birds with one stone.



    http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=57344

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    Und hier die Aufstellung, wie die US Gangster funktionieren in einer Graphik

    http://www.tompaine.com/dickanddon.html

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    Interessanter Thread.

    Nicht umsonst wird diese "Person" oftmals auch USAma Bin Laden genannt.

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    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    Zitat Zitat von Kimyager
    Für mich gibt es auch keinen Unterschied zwischen den Ey-lan-Typen und den sogenannten braven und biederen "Gläubigen", die ihre Schwester verprügeln. Selbst wenn die Schwester eine wunderschönes Mädchen wäre, darf man sie nicht zusammenschlagen geschweige denn "Im Namen der Ehre" töten.
    Auch gehört es sich nicht, die leichte Bekleidung als Einladung aufzufassen und Frauen zu begrabschen.
    So isses.
    Zur Erinnerung an die uralten friedlichen Diskussionen, zwischen Schiptar und Kimyager!

    Das waren Zeiten, welche wir doch alle wieder zurück wünschen!

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