Wohin steuert die Ukraine?
Erstellt von frank3, 02.12.2013, 21:46 Uhr · 9.045 Antworten · 423.196 Aufrufe
ehm doch.. soll ich dir jetzt den bericht raus suchen oder was.. das war während des krieges. also schon ne weile her und schon damals waren die russischen systeme/radare in der lage diese "High-Teck" schrotthaufen aufzuspüren und zu bekämpfen. den bericht habe ich mal auf der tsk seite gepostet
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die russen gaben sie ihnen zur bekämpfung amerikanischer kampfjets die sich die freihat nahmen einfach in serbischen luftraum einzudringen und menschen zu bombardieren.
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In deinen blinden Augen.
Zitat von Yu-Rebell
Natasha = Nutte Ich BITTE dich, verklag mich dafür, dieses Spektakel vor Gericht würde ich gerne sehen Natasha hahaha du bist zu geil
Zitat von Lilith
Wow, sogar vier Spasten geben dafür Danke, obwohl jeder wusste, dass Dzeko nicht das meinte. Euer Humor ist wohl nur mit Vodka verständlich.
Zitat von R25-300
Klingt logisch. Hätte die Serben damals s300 gehabt wäre es nicht nur bei einer Nighthawk geblieben
Zitat von Triglav
ne ne war schon eine s-300 rakete. die serben gaben an das sie erst gar nicht wussten das es ein tarnkappenbomber war, eher ein normales flugzeug, da es auf dem radar schon aus weiter entfernung sehr gut zu erkennen war. guckt euch doch mal die kontruktion an das teil hat auf keinen fall stealth eigenschaften, außer dem lack vielleicht.. ^^
Zitat von Triglav
Stimmt leider nicht
Zitat von IceCold53
Aber jetzt genug off-topic
he S-300 is mainly used in Eastern Europe and Asia although sources are inconsistent about the exact countries possessing the system.
- Algeria – 4/8  battalions of S-300PMU2 were ordered in 2006.
- Armenia S-300PS (SA-10)
- Azerbaijan bought two S-300PMU-2/SA-20B SAM battalions in 2010
- Belarus – S-300PS systems delivered from Russia in 2007 to replace older S-300 model in Belarussian inventory. Older S-300V sold to Turkey for testing and using on Anatolian Eagle exercises. Four divisions of S-300 missiles to be delivered in 2014.
- Bulgaria has ten S-300 launchers, divided into two units with five launchers each.
- People's Republic of China: China is also the first customer of S-300PMU-2 and may be using the S-300V under the name Hongqi HQ-18. China also built an upgraded version of the HQ-10 labelled the HQ-15 with the maximum range upgraded from 150 km (93 mi) to 200 km (120 mi). There are unconfirmed reports that claim this version is the Chinese manufactured S-300PMU-2. The total number of the S-300PMU/1/2 and HQ-15/18 batteries in PLA are approximately 40 and 60 respectively, in the year 2008. The total number of the missiles is well above 1,600, with about 300 launcher platforms. Five such SAM battalions are deployed and in active duty around Beijing region, six battalions in Taiwan strait region and rest battalions in other major cities like Shanghai, Chengdu and Dalian. Two Rif (SA-N-6) systems were purchased in 2002 for the Chinese Navy for the Type 051C Destroyers.
- Greece  - S-300 PMU1 system acquired by Greece after the Cyprus Missile Crisis and operated by HAF on the island of Crete consisting of 2 Batteries / 12 launchers / 96 missiles. Greece first fired an S-300 during the White Eagle 2013 military exercise, which was the first time it was used since it was bought 14 years earlier.
- Slovakia – Inherited from Czechoslovakia.
- Russian Federation: Has used all of the S-300 variations. The Russian Air Defence Forces, which are part of the Air Force, currently operates 768 S-300PMUs and 185 S-300Vs, meaning they operate 953/(1900 (S-300PT/PS/PMY, 200 S-300V/С-300V1 in 2010 year)) in total launchers. All production in 1994 (actually 1990) or older, all the complexes S-300PM have been repairing and upgrading (Favorite-S). S-300P/PT have been retired before 2008, some S-300PS in service, but will be retired in the near future(2012–2013), about 30 divisions is S-300V/S-300PM2, will be retired in ~2018. By 2015 will be delivered over 3 S-300V4. Modernization of all S-300V to the version S-300V4 will end in 2012
- Ukraine – S-300PS, S-300PMU, S-300V and others. Only six systems have been repaired since 2004; as a result only 40% of Ukrainian S-300 systems are in good condition.
- Venezuela ordered 2 battalions of S-300VM "Antey-2500". The missiles were delivered in May 2012.
- Vietnam has bought two S-300PMU-1 for nearly $300 million.
Possible future operators
- Croatia: Croatia no longer maintains an S-300 system. It was acquired from Ukraine in 1995 and was never complete and in operational state, but served the role of a psychological weapon. After much controversy, as of 2004 the system is no longer in Croatia and was presumably sold. According to some sources, including the court testimony of arms dealer Zvonko Zubak, the system was indeed shipped to the United States in 2004.
- Czechoslovakia – One battalion created in 1990. Passed on to Slovakia in 1993.
- East Germany
- Soviet Union
- Iran's status regarding the S-300 system remains controversial. Iran claimed to have signed a contract with Russia on 25 December 2007 on the sales of the S-300PMU-1 missile system. Russian officials have denied this. It has also been claimed that Croatia sold their S-300s to Iran. Later, On 21 December, according to a senior Iranian lawmaker, Russia has started the supply of components for S-300 air defence systems to Iran. Esmaeil Kosari, deputy chairman of the parliamentary commission on national security and foreign policy, told the Iranian news agency IRNA that Iran and Russia had held negotiations for several years on the purchase of S-300 air defence systems and had finalized a deal. Kosari said the Islamic Republic would deploy S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to strengthen national defence on border areas. On 28 October 2009, if asked when Russia would deliver the systems to Iran, Ivanov said: "There have been no such deliveries to date." Yet on 23 December 2009, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Borodavkin said Russia sees no reason to cancel a deal to provide S-300s to Iran. He said ""Exports of such weapons is subject to no UN treaty or other bilateral agreements, This is why we see no essential reason to make any change in the deal," indicating that there is a deal. On 8 February 2010, Iran announced that it had a "domestically-made" system called Bavar 373 with the same capabilities as the S-300. In September 2012 Iran successfully tested Raad Air Defense System a partner for Bavar 373. Alexander Fumin has said that the delay in the delivery is due to a technical problem with the radiowave system. In 19 April 2010, Asr Iran (Iran's Era) website said that Iran could develop a similar air missiles system On 11 June 2010, Russia stopped sale of the S-300 air defence system to Iran in light of U.N. sanctions against Iran, stating that the "S-300s fall under these sanctions". On 4 August 2010, Iran claimed it has obtained two S-300PT (SA-10) from Belarus and two others from another unspecified source despite Russian refusal to deliver them. The Belarusian government has denied rumors that Minsk had allegedly sold S-300 air defence systems to Iran. "The State Military-Industrial Committee can officially state that Belarus has never held talks with Iran on the deliveries of the S-300 air defence systems", said committee's spokesman Vladimir Lavrenyuk. "Belarus has never supplied S-300 systems or their components to Iran," he said, adding that Minsk strictly complied with international arms control regulations. On 22 September 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree banning the sale of the S-300 and other military equipment to Iran. The sale was canceled because of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1929 sanctions on Iran. On 10 November 2010 Iran announced that it had developed a version of the S-300 missile. However Pieter Wezeman of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute has questioned Iran's ability to duplicate the Russian missile system. And by 2012 the Iranian position had softened to merely considering the production of such a system. In April 2012, Iran filed a lawsuit for $4 billion in damages for failure to deliver the missiles. Then Iran blamed foreign media for inflaming the situation when Russia threatened to reduce diplomatic support for Iran if the lawsuit continued. Russian Technologies (Rostech) CEO Sergei Chemezov said on Thursday 30/05/2013 that the US applied heavy pressure on Moscow to stop the agreement under the pretext that the Iran-Russia deal was against UN Security Council sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic. Chemezov, added, however, that Washington later changed its rhetoric, saying the UN resolution did not specifically mention the S-300 system and Russia had acted on its own. “The Americans now agree that it is a defensive system and Russia alone should be responsible for the breach of the contract,” Ria Novosti quoted Chemezov as saying. He added that Moscow now seeks to reach a settlement with Tehran to withdraw its lawsuit against Russia’s state-run arms export company Rosoboronexport over the canceled deal, saying Russia’s chances “to win the case are very slim.” On 10 June 2013, Iran's ambassador to Russia rejected Russia's offer to substitute S-300 with Tor air defense system. Ambassador Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi said Iran had developed a national defense system “and within that system the proposed Tor system would be unable to fulfill the S-300’s functions.” In late August 2013, the Almaz-Antey Corporation said that the S-300 missiles that were to be delivered to Iran had been scrapped. Some dismantled parts that could be reused were saved, but the rest were completely scrapped. The S-300s could not be entirely re-sold to other buyers because requirements, specifications, and software are different for each particular client and cannot be adjusted. Rosoboronexport had no plans at the time to provide a replacement system, but reversed themselves in 2013 and decided to go forwards with the shipment in exchange for another $800 million payment. On 13 January 2014, it was revealed that Iran would send a delegation to Russia to discuss the delivery of a substitute missile system to the S-300, possibly the Tor missile system, which was rejected in a previous offer, or the S-300VM.
- Libya: Tripoli also expressed interest in buying 10 Ka-52 Alligator assault helicopters, two advanced long range S-300PMU2 Favorit air defence missile systems, and 40 short range Pantsir-S1 air defence complexes, for a total cost over $1 billion.
- Thailand:HQ-9 Offers
- Turkey: Russia has offered the S-300VM to Turkey. Turkey however eventually bought the Chinese HQ-9.
- Iraq: Iraq expressed interest in buying S-300
- Pakistan: HQ-18 reported to be under evaluation in November 2010.
- Syria: Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the acceleration of highly advanced Russian weapons supplies to Syria. Referring to S-300 anti-air systems and the nuclear-capable 9K720 Iskander (NATO named SS-26 Stone) surface missiles. Since Syrian Air Defense Force teams have already trained in the Russian Federation on the handling of the S-300 interceptor batteries, they can go into service as soon as they are landed by one of Russia's daily airlifts to Syria. Russian air defence officials will supervise their deployment and prepare them for operation. According to President Vladimir Putin, components of the S-300 have been delivered to Syria but the delivery has not been completed.
Vielleicht sollte es geheim gehalten werden damit die Amis nicht die Russen dafür verantwortlich machen konnten?!
du denkst nur einen schritt vorraus statt 2-3
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Nächste Märchenstunde vom Kroatenhorst? Für wie blöd hälst du die Leute als dass nicht bekannt wäre, wofür Natascha steht? Eigentlich tust du mir eher leid in solcher Erbärmlichkeit. Aber ok, wer es nötig hat.
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