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Der Genozid in türkischen Schulbüchern- Eine Erklärung der Scheinheilligkeit?

Erstellt von Dr. Gonzo, 19.04.2015, 11:15 Uhr · 397 Antworten · 19.799 Aufrufe

  1. #251
    Avatar von christian steifen

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    Zitat Zitat von Dr. Gonzo Beitrag anzeigen
    Ich kenne Taner Akcam.
    Du auch?
    auch du?

  2. #252
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    Zitat Zitat von christian steifen Beitrag anzeigen
    auch du?
    Also, dann nerv mich nicht.
    Troll woanders.

  3. #253
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    Zitat Zitat von Dr. Gonzo Beitrag anzeigen
    Also, dann nerv mich nicht.
    Troll woanders.
    Hä du trollst doch die ganze zeit....

  4. #254
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    Zitat Zitat von christian steifen Beitrag anzeigen
    Hä du trollst doch die ganze zeit....
    Das lässt sich leicht feststellen.
    Beanworte mir bitte eine Frage und wir erkennen, wer nun der Troll sei.
    Was denkst du über den Artikel bezüglich Prof. Akcam?

    Dabei bitte ich dich, dein Augenmerk auf diesen kleinen Ausschnitt zu legen:

    Today in Turkey, Turkish and Armenian children are taught, through textbooks published by the Education Ministry, that the Armenians continue today to pose a threat to national security. These textbooks are filled with hateful and racist remarks against Armenians and are steeped in distorted narratives about ‘treacherous Armenians.’

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    Zitat Zitat von christian steifen Beitrag anzeigen
    Hä du trollst doch die ganze zeit....
    Der vermeintliche "Troll" wird gerne genommen, wenn die Argumente fehlen, gell ?

  6. #256
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    Zitat Zitat von Rafi Beitrag anzeigen
    Der vermeintliche "Troll" wird gerne genommen, wenn die Argumente fehlen, gell ?
    Is leidig.

    Sein kommentar

    Zitat Zitat von christian steifen Beitrag anzeigen
    cool
    Und ich bin der Troll.

    - - - Aktualisiert - - -

    Akcam: The Other Turkey
    Prof. Taner Akcam, the Robert Aram, Marianne Kaloosdian, and Stephen and Marian Mugar Chair in Armenian Genocide Studies at Clark University, gave the following remarks at the Armenian Genocide Commemoration in Times Square, New York, on April 26.
    On this, a day laden with great urgency and historical meaning, I would like to thank you for allowing me to appear with you and to share your grief and sorrow.

    Today does not merely mark the centennial of the annihilation of some 1.5 million Armenians; it also marks a century of denial of this crime. The Turkish government continues to deny not merely any responsibility for the horrors inflicted upon Armenian people, but even the fact that it happened at all. As a Turk, it is from this fact that my sorrow and great shame derive.


    My sole consolation is that I do not grieve alone. The nation of Turkey consists of more than simply its denialist regime; there is another Turkey, and the citizens of that Turkey are ready to face their history. It is those Turks who feel obligated to erase the black stain left by those who committed these crimes. In more than 25 cities from Istanbul to Van, the people of this Turkey have not waited for a denialist government to recognize the genocide.

    Instead, they have been blazing a new path, one that allows them to discover their past. I am not an official representative of this other Turkey, but I know I speak for many when I convey to you, the Armenian people, my sincere apologies for both past crimes and for this century of denial.
    Here, as I stand before you today, I think I can promise in name of this other Turkey to do everything in our power to finally put an end to this denialism.

    Our history is not merely a chronicle of murderers. It is also a history of brave and righteous people who risked their lives to save thousands of Armenians. And it is only through the recognition and honoring of these people that we can hope to build a better future. While we should indeed today condemn those crimes committed and the refusal to acknowledge them, we must also acknowledge our debt to those who refused to participate in or actively opposed them. Such persons have taught us, through their example, that human decency and courage can indeed survive in times of great evil.

    Recognition of my country’s historic wrongs is not simply important for the sake of historical accuracy—instead, it directly concerns the kind of society that we envision for our future. Dehumanization is the most important component of all mass atrocities. In order to be able to kill, perpetrators first dehumanize their victims. Recognition of the crime is necessary for restoring that humanity, for returning to the victims their dignity! Without this recognition subsequent generations cannot properly mourn and heal. Mourning and healing are necessary for closure, and can only come after the truth is acknowledged. If we fail to do so, we inadvertently lend legitimization to the perpetrators and their goals. After decades of denials, you Armenians need to heal and to be assured that the justice you seek will be attained. Any reconciliation between Turks and Armenians will have to be built on a foundation of acknowledged truth!

    Without truth, there cannot be peace. And I am here to assure you in name of this “other Turkey” that we are determined to continue the struggle until the truth shall finally prevail.
    To achieve a Turkey that is a democratic, secure society and respectful of human rights, it must begin with a confronting of the past, an acknowledging of past wrongs.
    A hundred years ago, the Ottoman government had a flawed concept of national security. They viewed the Armenians and their demands for equality and social justice as a threat to the Ottoman state and society. They targeted the Armenians for extermination. Today in Turkey, Turkish and Armenian children are taught, through textbooks published by the Education Ministry, that the Armenians continue today to pose a threat to national security. These textbooks are filled with hateful and racist remarks against Armenians and are steeped in distorted narratives about “treacherous Armenians.”


    It is very troubling to see that the U.S. has still not officially recognized the Armenian Genocide. The justification for their position remains the same: the crucial role of Turkey in the country’s geopolitical security strategy. To raise a moral argument regarding a century-old event, they argue, would needlessly anger their Turkish ally and jeopardize American security interests. It is ironic that the words “national security” continue to haunt Armenian people even here in the United States.

    But juxtaposing “national interest” and “morality” is just plain wrong. Any security policy in the Middle East that excludes morality cannot ultimately be a “realistic” policy because it ultimately undermines national security. History and historical injustices are not dead issues and have very real consequences in the Middle East, where the past has always been the present. There is a strong interconnection between security, democracy, and the accurate understanding of history, and perhaps nowhere more than in the Middle East.


    Historical injustices and their continual denial by a state or dominant group pose an obstacle to both further democratization and also for stable relations between different ethnic and religious groups. Kurds, Arabs, Alewites, Armenians and other Christians in the region perceive each other and Turkey through this flawed prism of history. If we want a successful regional policy, we have to find a way to integrate acknowledgement of past wrongs into any national security policy.
    Turkey’s ongoing policy of denialism both at home and abroad is not simply a moral abomination; it threatens to the country and the region’s democracy, stability, and security.

    Turkey continues its denialist policies because it has yet to face serious external pressure to do otherwise. This “other Turkey” of which I spoke is determined to face up to the darker history of our country’s past and put an end to the denialist policies. All that is lacking is external pressure from international community.

    The United States has thus far continued to support the denialist regime in Turkey, but how can the United States, which prides itself on its exceptionalism in supporting liberal values and human rights at home and across the world, justify a position at odds with its own democratic values? America should not uphold human rights only when it is expedient. The test of American exceptionalism is the commitment to persevere in upholding these principles even when it may seem costly or inconvenient to do so.

    By officially recognizing the Armenian Genocide, the United States could lend its moral and political weight to encourage Turkey to come to terms with its history, to further embrace democratization, and to contribute to its own future stability and that of the region. The citizens of my Turkey, the “other Turkey,” and the Armenians throughout the world are waiting for the U.S. to join us in acknowledging the truth.
    Again, I thank you for allowing me to address to you here on this day of both sorrow and hope. Let us remember and honor the victims, and continue to fight together for truth and justice.

  7. #257
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    Zitat Zitat von Dr. Gonzo Beitrag anzeigen
    Ein türkischer Professor!
    akcam ist ein vorbestrafter kurdischer linksextremist

    n der Mitte der 1970er Jahre unterstützte Akçam ein führendes Mitglied der militanten Gruppe Dev Yol (Devrimci Yol Revolutionärer Weg) und den Herausgeber von Devrimci Genclik Dergisi (revolutionäre Jugend-Zeitschrift). 1976 wurde er zu 10 Jahren Gefängnis verurteilt. Er konnte ein Jahr später aus dem Gefängnis fliehen und in die Bundesrepublik Deutschland emigrieren.
    Taner Akçam ? Wikipedia
    ausserdem ist er soziologe und kein historiker er kann nicht mal die osmanischen archive lesen..

  8. #258
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    Sicher sechs von zehn Türken in diesem Forum sind rechtsextremisten, von denen wohl auch kaum einer die osmanischen Archive lesen kann.

    Heraclius

  9. #259
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    Zitat Zitat von Heraclius Beitrag anzeigen
    Sicher sechs von zehn Türken in diesem Forum sind rechtsextremisten, von denen wohl auch kaum einer die osmanischen Archive lesen kann.

    Heraclius
    Oha....

    TuAF hat schon das richtige gepostet. Anstatt Müll von dir zu geben, geh darauf ein oder lass es.

    Viele User sind am besten darin, Quellen komplett zu ignorieren und immer noch ihren Mist weiter auszudiskutieren.

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    Zitat Zitat von Heraclius Beitrag anzeigen
    Sicher sechs von zehn Türken in diesem Forum sind Rechtsextremisten,
    von denen wohl auch kaum einer die osmanischen Archive lesen kann.

    Heraclius
    Die Beiträge sprechen diese klare Glosse.
    Wenn man nichts hat, dann greift man zum Nichts: dem dümmlichen Nationalismus.

    Türkischer Nationalismus als Importware
    --> (
    http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeit...lismus-tuerken)

    Ich hätte gerne etwas mehr Kultur von gewissen Fascho-Nationalisten zu lesen bekommen.
    Aber diese gibt es nicht.

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