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Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

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    Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    (vornerein will ich darauf hinweisen auf punkt 5 zu schauen.....hier wird klargestellt was mit den Albanern passiert sollten sie aufmucken.




    A BLUFFER’S GUIDE TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVO



    Bluff number 1: Serbia has lost Kosovo in 1999.

    This ‘statement’ is only an interpretation and does not stand in any single international document, let alone in the UN Security Council resolution 1244, where “self-governing” is mentioned three times, “self-government” four times, “self-administration” once, “substantial autonomy” three times; whereas neither “self-determination” nor “independence” is mentioned in the document. Did NATO intervene in 1999 to protect human rights or to provide basis for a secession? If Kosovo was lost for Serbia in 1999, why did it not obtain independence then? As far as the so-called moral argument that it is the violence of former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milošević which lost Kosovo for Serbia, the Kosovo Albanians should be least inclined to favor it since their massive and systematic violence and repression of the Serb community in the last six years of “peace” has taken all the moral credit out of their hands.

    Bluff number 2: Serbia should choose between Kosovo and the EU.

    Under the EU Thessaloniki Agenda, Serbia has a clear European perspective and as the Western Balkans most powerful player, it will certainly not remain a black hole inside the European Union. To argue that Serbia should cut off a large part of its territory – a cradle of its civilization, culture and religion for nine centuries now– for the sake of maybe entering two or three years earlier a supranational integration process simply does not stand. No international or domestic ‘campaign’ could convince Serbian public opinion about this.

    Bluff number 3: Serbia’s ‘progressive elite’ wants to cut off « the cancer of Kosovo ».

    One of the most common bluffs relies on praising an undefined “progressive elite” in Serbia, which is trying to persuade the rest of the “unrealistic”, “nationalist” and “archaic” population to get rid of a “cancer” called Kosovo. The problem is that these “pro-independence progressives” are so insignificant in numbers that they do not carry any political or moral weight. On the other side, the large majority of Serbs do not think of Kosovo from an ‘irrational’, ‘retrograding’ or ‘nationalist’ point of view as it is often portrayed, but rather as a key aspect of their cultural, historical and spiritual identity which they are absolutely not ready to relinquish.

    Bluff number 4: If Serbia does not cut off Kosovo, Albanians will flood Serbia within the next fifty years due to their growing numbers.

    If the Kosovo Albanians really aim to continue using population growth for geopolitical objectives – which seems highly unlikely – they will “flood” Serbia anyhow because, within the EU, with or without borders, there will be free movement, settlement and employment opportunities. There will be no China Wall borders inside Europe.


    Bluff number 5: If they do not get what they want, Albanians will explode in violence.



    The Albanian lobby argues that if it does not get their maximalistic demand of independence, Kosovo Albanians will explode in violence against the Serbs, other non-Albanians and the international troops. They point to the massive anti-Serb campaign of ethnic cleansing in March 2004 as a warning of what could happen if their desires are not satisfied. Yet, NATO read through the bluff and the Alliance’s Secretary-General has warned on several occasions that violence as means of promoting political objectives in the status talks would be met this time with a robust answer from 17,000 NATO troops.


    Threats of violence must not be legitimized nor used as arguments.

    Bluff number 6: Human rights standards will be achieved only if and when Kosovo becomes independent.

    (LIEST MAL HIER .....BILLIGE VERSUCHE BZW: ERPRESSUNGEN SIND DAS, DA LACHT SICH DIE EU KAPUTT WEN DIE JA SOETWAS HÖREN)


    The laissez-faire policy towards Albanian extremism and separatism has led to an utmost failure in providing the most basic security and living conditions for the Serb community, much to the shame of the UN mission in Kosovo and other international organizations. The policy of “standards before status”, proclaimed by the international community in 2003 and buried as failure by the same in late 2005, is considered to have been a bluff aimed at paving the way to the status talks. The new policy is now “status and standards”, while the proponents of “conditional independence” suggest even a policy of “standards after status”. Given this gameplay with human rights, it is no surprise that Kosovo is, with an exception of heavily-protected Serb enclaves and ghettos, an ethnically-pure Albanian territory. This downsizing of “standards” can also perhaps explain why the international community so blatantly failed to create conditions for the return of 220,000 expelled Serbs from Kosovo. If thousands of heavily-equipped NATO soldiers, UN police, OSCE monitors and EU experts did not succeed, who can guarantee that the perpetrators of the crimes and violence will do it instead?



    Bluff number 7: There’s no economic progress in Kosovo without independence.
    (UND HIER VERSUCHEN ALBANISCHE TERRORISTEN GELD VON BELGRAD ZU KLAUEN.....UND WENN DAS KEIN KLAU ODER DIEBSTAHL IST WAS DIESEN ERPRESSUNGSVERSUCH ANGEHT....Dann ist es wiederum ein Beweis dafür das dort unten wirklich ungebildete Leute ans Werk sind die Absolut null ahnung habe was Politik...besser gesagt..wirtschaftsPolitik angeht)
    ABSOLUT KÖSTLICH DIESE BEHAUPTUNGEN..... Ein Wahrer Clown diese Kos-Albano-Politiker....Köstlich-Köstlich-Köstlich.....




    Six years after its unnatural economic isolation from the rest of Serbia, Kosovo has become the only area in Europe to have a negative growth rate and holds the infamous first place in terms of unemployment rate (45% official, 70% unofficial). It is widely regarded as a non-viable entity which lacks the administrative capacity to pursue European integration and reforms. In order to reverse this negative trend, Kosovo does not need independence. It does not need a seat in the UN to have access to international financial institutions. The European Commission and the Council have called for this access for Kosovo, and Belgrade fully agrees with the idea. Furthermore, a compromising solution would revive economic relations between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia – it would settle privatization and property rights problems and pave the way for economic integration rather than permanent animosity.

    Bluff number 8: Only independence will solve “the Albanian Question” and put an end to the desintegration of the Balkans.

    Quite the opposite. Changing current borders in the Balkans amounts to opening Pandora’s box. An independent Kosovo would trigger an unstoppable domino effect in the Serbian part of Bosnia, in Western Macedonia (Albanians), northern Vojvodina (Hungarians), possibly Sandjak (Bosniak Muslims), southern Montenegro (Albanians), Herceg Bosna (Croats)… And we’re back to square one, with a bonus explosive precedent of one nation having two states – Albania and Kosovo. It is unlikely that Albanian aspirations would stop there, as much as it is hard to believe that other Balkans nations would stand by and applaud.



    (UND JETZT DER HAMMER !!!!!!!!!!! VORSICHT NICHT VOM STUHL FALLEN....... ACHTUNG ÜBERNEHME KEINE VERANTWORTUNG WENN SICH FORUM-USER SICH DABEI TOD LACHEN......

    --->Bluff number 9a: Everything has already been decided: Kosovo will be independent.<------

    MIT READY KÖNNEN DIE KOS-ALBANER HÖCHSTENS DEN KOLEKTIVEN UNTERGANG DAMIT MEINEN



    There are many attempts to refocus and spin the talks in the direction of Kosovo’s independence, from those who say that these are “talks on Kosovo’s independence” to those who argue that “the negotiations will be about the position of the Kosovo Serbs, not the status” or that the “talks will be about finding a way to impose independence upon Belgrade”. While there are a few officials who have, more privately than publicly, indicated their preference for such options, these are completely contrary to the proclaimed stands of the Contact Group and the UN Security Council. All major capitals – in Brussels, Washington, Paris, Rome or Moscow – call for a dialogue, a negotiated solution, a compromise and constructive, good faith negotiations. On the other side, all those who say that everything is over before it has started either have a crystal ball or are deliberately trying to undermine the negotiations and forcefully impose a solution.

    Bluff number 9b: “Conditional independence” is the only option for Kosovo.

    Trying to close down the debate before the talks have even started and stating that “conditional independence” is the only possible option amounts much more to media spinning than to a contribution to a long lasting and compromising solution. This empty formula is even presented by some as a compromise solution, because Albanians “will have to wait a few more years” or “to give up on the idea of Greater Albania”... Many of its backers suggest “conditional independence” means that Kosovo will be granted independence in phases, provided the majority Albanians start respecting human rights of the Serbs and other non-Albanians. But this option is an insult to negotiators and modern human rights standards. If Belgrade is resolutely opposed to immediate independence, why would it accept it two or three years from now? If the Albanians are not able to enforce the most basic standards under international supervision, why would they do it when left alone? Is “conditional independence” introducing a new kind of trade: “human rights for territory”?

    Bluff number 10: Kosovo is a unique case, it will not represent a precedent.

    What is so unique about Kosovo? Why should it be an exception in the world? There are hundreds of ethnic groups in the world that feel politically discriminated – why is the Albanian community in Kosovo different or superior to all of them? If Kosovo, why not Abkhazia, Transdniestria, Tibet, Kurdistan or the 500+ other ethnic groups officially awaiting independence? It had been a public secret for a while now that some “goodwill advisors” had been suggesting to the team of UN mediator Martti Ahtisaari to find a “legal basis for the uniqueness of Kosovo in order to avoid a precedent”. Russia has been the first to publicly read through this bluff and denounce it. The universality of principles is now firmly set to become a basis for the Kosovo solution.






    DIESE LÜGEN SIND WIE WIR ALLE WISSEN FAKT !!!!!!!!!

    DER ÜBERMUT DER KOS-ALANER HAT DABEI ABER EINES ÜBERSEHEN....... UND ZWAR IST ES DAS, DASS DIE EU UND CO. DIESE LÜGEN NICHT ÜBERSEHEN HAT UND ES UNOFFICIEL ALS EIN TOTALES RISIKO EINSTUFFT SOLLTE DAS KOSOVO UNABHÄNGIG WERDEN.

    EINS IST KLAR UND SCHON UNOFFICIEL BESCHLOSSEN..... WER DIE PRESSE GENAU UNTER DER LUPE NIMMT UND SO EINIGE AUSSAGEN LIEST DER WIRD MERKEN "KOSOVO BLEIBT BEI SERBIEN" UND WIESSO???????
    NA GANZ EINFACH!!!!!!!! WEIL ES ZU SERBIEN GEHÖRT.....

    Sogar Tony Blair und sein Kollege Busch sind dagegen..... man braucht nur ihre statements genau unter der Lupe zu nehmen und schon wird man einiges erkennen.....
    Bei Blair sowieso ....ich sage nur..."SIEHE IRLAND PROBLEM"
    Genauso die Turkei....."SIEHE KURDE PROBLEM"....Es ist verrückt das sogar die Türken dagegen sind....IST ABER SO!!!!!!!

    Ich will nich alle aufzählen.....aber glaubt mir, DIE LISTE IST LANG.....
    dAZU KOMMT AUCH DAS sERBIEN ENDLICH EIN mACHTWORT GESPROCHEN HAT UND IN DER USA genaustens klar gemacht hat wer der Herr im Hause ist......Schliesslich will man ja keinen Terrorstaat zulassen....erst Recht nicht jetzt wo die Welt im Krieg gegen den Terror steht.



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    Re: Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    Zitat Zitat von port80
    (vornerein will ich darauf hinweisen auf punkt 5 zu schauen.....hier wird klargestellt was mit den Albanern passiert sollten sie aufmucken.




    A BLUFFER’S GUIDE TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVO



    Bluff number 1: Serbia has lost Kosovo in 1999.

    This ‘statement’ is only an interpretation and does not stand in any single international document, let alone in the UN Security Council resolution 1244, where “self-governing” is mentioned three times, “self-government” four times, “self-administration” once, “substantial autonomy” three times; whereas neither “self-determination” nor “independence” is mentioned in the document. Did NATO intervene in 1999 to protect human rights or to provide basis for a secession? If Kosovo was lost for Serbia in 1999, why did it not obtain independence then? As far as the so-called moral argument that it is the violence of former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milošević which lost Kosovo for Serbia, the Kosovo Albanians should be least inclined to favor it since their massive and systematic violence and repression of the Serb community in the last six years of “peace” has taken all the moral credit out of their hands.

    Bluff number 2: Serbia should choose between Kosovo and the EU.

    Under the EU Thessaloniki Agenda, Serbia has a clear European perspective and as the Western Balkans most powerful player, it will certainly not remain a black hole inside the European Union. To argue that Serbia should cut off a large part of its territory – a cradle of its civilization, culture and religion for nine centuries now– for the sake of maybe entering two or three years earlier a supranational integration process simply does not stand. No international or domestic ‘campaign’ could convince Serbian public opinion about this.

    Bluff number 3: Serbia’s ‘progressive elite’ wants to cut off « the cancer of Kosovo ».

    One of the most common bluffs relies on praising an undefined “progressive elite” in Serbia, which is trying to persuade the rest of the “unrealistic”, “nationalist” and “archaic” population to get rid of a “cancer” called Kosovo. The problem is that these “pro-independence progressives” are so insignificant in numbers that they do not carry any political or moral weight. On the other side, the large majority of Serbs do not think of Kosovo from an ‘irrational’, ‘retrograding’ or ‘nationalist’ point of view as it is often portrayed, but rather as a key aspect of their cultural, historical and spiritual identity which they are absolutely not ready to relinquish.

    Bluff number 4: If Serbia does not cut off Kosovo, Albanians will flood Serbia within the next fifty years due to their growing numbers.

    If the Kosovo Albanians really aim to continue using population growth for geopolitical objectives – which seems highly unlikely – they will “flood” Serbia anyhow because, within the EU, with or without borders, there will be free movement, settlement and employment opportunities. There will be no China Wall borders inside Europe.


    Bluff number 5: If they do not get what they want, Albanians will explode in violence.



    The Albanian lobby argues that if it does not get their maximalistic demand of independence, Kosovo Albanians will explode in violence against the Serbs, other non-Albanians and the international troops. They point to the massive anti-Serb campaign of ethnic cleansing in March 2004 as a warning of what could happen if their desires are not satisfied. Yet, NATO read through the bluff and the Alliance’s Secretary-General has warned on several occasions that violence as means of promoting political objectives in the status talks would be met this time with a robust answer from 17,000 NATO troops.


    Threats of violence must not be legitimized nor used as arguments.

    Bluff number 6: Human rights standards will be achieved only if and when Kosovo becomes independent.

    (LIEST MAL HIER .....BILLIGE VERSUCHE BZW: ERPRESSUNGEN SIND DAS, DA LACHT SICH DIE EU KAPUTT WEN DIE JA SOETWAS HÖREN)


    The laissez-faire policy towards Albanian extremism and separatism has led to an utmost failure in providing the most basic security and living conditions for the Serb community, much to the shame of the UN mission in Kosovo and other international organizations. The policy of “standards before status”, proclaimed by the international community in 2003 and buried as failure by the same in late 2005, is considered to have been a bluff aimed at paving the way to the status talks. The new policy is now “status and standards”, while the proponents of “conditional independence” suggest even a policy of “standards after status”. Given this gameplay with human rights, it is no surprise that Kosovo is, with an exception of heavily-protected Serb enclaves and ghettos, an ethnically-pure Albanian territory. This downsizing of “standards” can also perhaps explain why the international community so blatantly failed to create conditions for the return of 220,000 expelled Serbs from Kosovo. If thousands of heavily-equipped NATO soldiers, UN police, OSCE monitors and EU experts did not succeed, who can guarantee that the perpetrators of the crimes and violence will do it instead?



    Bluff number 7: There’s no economic progress in Kosovo without independence.
    (UND HIER VERSUCHEN ALBANISCHE TERRORISTEN GELD VON BELGRAD ZU KLAUEN.....UND WENN DAS KEIN KLAU ODER DIEBSTAHL IST WAS DIESEN ERPRESSUNGSVERSUCH ANGEHT....Dann ist es wiederum ein Beweis dafür das dort unten wirklich ungebildete Leute ans Werk sind die Absolut null ahnung habe was Politik...besser gesagt..wirtschaftsPolitik angeht)
    ABSOLUT KÖSTLICH DIESE BEHAUPTUNGEN..... Ein Wahrer Clown diese Kos-Albano-Politiker....Köstlich-Köstlich-Köstlich.....




    Six years after its unnatural economic isolation from the rest of Serbia, Kosovo has become the only area in Europe to have a negative growth rate and holds the infamous first place in terms of unemployment rate (45% official, 70% unofficial). It is widely regarded as a non-viable entity which lacks the administrative capacity to pursue European integration and reforms. In order to reverse this negative trend, Kosovo does not need independence. It does not need a seat in the UN to have access to international financial institutions. The European Commission and the Council have called for this access for Kosovo, and Belgrade fully agrees with the idea. Furthermore, a compromising solution would revive economic relations between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia – it would settle privatization and property rights problems and pave the way for economic integration rather than permanent animosity.

    Bluff number 8: Only independence will solve “the Albanian Question” and put an end to the desintegration of the Balkans.

    Quite the opposite. Changing current borders in the Balkans amounts to opening Pandora’s box. An independent Kosovo would trigger an unstoppable domino effect in the Serbian part of Bosnia, in Western Macedonia (Albanians), northern Vojvodina (Hungarians), possibly Sandjak (Bosniak Muslims), southern Montenegro (Albanians), Herceg Bosna (Croats)… And we’re back to square one, with a bonus explosive precedent of one nation having two states – Albania and Kosovo. It is unlikely that Albanian aspirations would stop there, as much as it is hard to believe that other Balkans nations would stand by and applaud.



    (UND JETZT DER HAMMER !!!!!!!!!!! VORSICHT NICHT VOM STUHL FALLEN....... ACHTUNG ÜBERNEHME KEINE VERANTWORTUNG WENN SICH FORUM-USER SICH DABEI TOD LACHEN......

    --->Bluff number 9a: Everything has already been decided: Kosovo will be independent.<------

    MIT READY KÖNNEN DIE KOS-ALBANER HÖCHSTENS DEN KOLEKTIVEN UNTERGANG DAMIT MEINEN



    There are many attempts to refocus and spin the talks in the direction of Kosovo’s independence, from those who say that these are “talks on Kosovo’s independence” to those who argue that “the negotiations will be about the position of the Kosovo Serbs, not the status” or that the “talks will be about finding a way to impose independence upon Belgrade”. While there are a few officials who have, more privately than publicly, indicated their preference for such options, these are completely contrary to the proclaimed stands of the Contact Group and the UN Security Council. All major capitals – in Brussels, Washington, Paris, Rome or Moscow – call for a dialogue, a negotiated solution, a compromise and constructive, good faith negotiations. On the other side, all those who say that everything is over before it has started either have a crystal ball or are deliberately trying to undermine the negotiations and forcefully impose a solution.

    Bluff number 9b: “Conditional independence” is the only option for Kosovo.

    Trying to close down the debate before the talks have even started and stating that “conditional independence” is the only possible option amounts much more to media spinning than to a contribution to a long lasting and compromising solution. This empty formula is even presented by some as a compromise solution, because Albanians “will have to wait a few more years” or “to give up on the idea of Greater Albania”... Many of its backers suggest “conditional independence” means that Kosovo will be granted independence in phases, provided the majority Albanians start respecting human rights of the Serbs and other non-Albanians. But this option is an insult to negotiators and modern human rights standards. If Belgrade is resolutely opposed to immediate independence, why would it accept it two or three years from now? If the Albanians are not able to enforce the most basic standards under international supervision, why would they do it when left alone? Is “conditional independence” introducing a new kind of trade: “human rights for territory”?

    Bluff number 10: Kosovo is a unique case, it will not represent a precedent.

    What is so unique about Kosovo? Why should it be an exception in the world? There are hundreds of ethnic groups in the world that feel politically discriminated – why is the Albanian community in Kosovo different or superior to all of them? If Kosovo, why not Abkhazia, Transdniestria, Tibet, Kurdistan or the 500+ other ethnic groups officially awaiting independence? It had been a public secret for a while now that some “goodwill advisors” had been suggesting to the team of UN mediator Martti Ahtisaari to find a “legal basis for the uniqueness of Kosovo in order to avoid a precedent”. Russia has been the first to publicly read through this bluff and denounce it. The universality of principles is now firmly set to become a basis for the Kosovo solution.






    DIESE LÜGEN SIND WIE WIR ALLE WISSEN FAKT !!!!!!!!!

    DER ÜBERMUT DER KOS-ALANER HAT DABEI ABER EINES ÜBERSEHEN....... UND ZWAR IST ES DAS, DASS DIE EU UND CO. DIESE LÜGEN NICHT ÜBERSEHEN HAT UND ES UNOFFICIEL ALS EIN TOTALES RISIKO EINSTUFFT SOLLTE DAS KOSOVO UNABHÄNGIG WERDEN.

    EINS IST KLAR UND SCHON UNOFFICIEL BESCHLOSSEN..... WER DIE PRESSE GENAU UNTER DER LUPE NIMMT UND SO EINIGE AUSSAGEN LIEST DER WIRD MERKEN "KOSOVO BLEIBT BEI SERBIEN" UND WIESSO???????
    NA GANZ EINFACH!!!!!!!! WEIL ES ZU SERBIEN GEHÖRT.....

    Sogar Tony Blair und sein Kollege Busch sind dagegen..... man braucht nur ihre statements genau unter der Lupe zu nehmen und schon wird man einiges erkennen.....
    Bei Blair sowieso ....ich sage nur..."SIEHE IRLAND PROBLEM"
    Genauso die Turkei....."SIEHE KURDE PROBLEM"....Es ist verrückt das sogar die Türken dagegen sind....IST ABER SO!!!!!!!

    Ich will nich alle aufzählen.....aber glaubt mir, DIE LISTE IST LANG.....
    dAZU KOMMT AUCH DAS sERBIEN ENDLICH EIN mACHTWORT GESPROCHEN HAT UND IN DER USA genaustens klar gemacht hat wer der Herr im Hause ist......Schliesslich will man ja keinen Terrorstaat zulassen....erst Recht nicht jetzt wo die Welt im Krieg gegen den Terror steht.


    Ihr könnt sagen was ihr wollt aber KOSOVA wird ein eigenes Land und von mir aus könnt ihr alle verrecken aber KOSOVA wird ein eigenes Land und ihr könnt nichts tun als fresse halten ihr serben

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    tolle geschichten....

    kann man den thread in humor oder rakija verschieben....

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    Das lustige ist, es existieren soviele Themen in diesem Forum die alles wiedersprechen mit Fakten und Quellen........ aber dennoch ist der so dumm..oO?


    naja, was will man sonst von dem ertwarten

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    Re: Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    Zitat Zitat von port80
    (vornerein will ich darauf hinweisen auf punkt 5 zu schauen.....hier wird klargestellt was mit den Albanern passiert sollten sie aufmucken.




    A BLUFFER’S GUIDE TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVO



    Bluff number 1: Serbia has lost Kosovo in 1999.

    This ‘statement’ is only an interpretation and does not stand in any single international document, let alone in the UN Security Council resolution 1244, where “self-governing” is mentioned three times, “self-government” four times, “self-administration” once, “substantial autonomy” three times; whereas neither “self-determination” nor “independence” is mentioned in the document. Did NATO intervene in 1999 to protect human rights or to provide basis for a secession? If Kosovo was lost for Serbia in 1999, why did it not obtain independence then? As far as the so-called moral argument that it is the violence of former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milošević which lost Kosovo for Serbia, the Kosovo Albanians should be least inclined to favor it since their massive and systematic violence and repression of the Serb community in the last six years of “peace” has taken all the moral credit out of their hands.

    Bluff number 2: Serbia should choose between Kosovo and the EU.

    Under the EU Thessaloniki Agenda, Serbia has a clear European perspective and as the Western Balkans most powerful player, it will certainly not remain a black hole inside the European Union. To argue that Serbia should cut off a large part of its territory – a cradle of its civilization, culture and religion for nine centuries now– for the sake of maybe entering two or three years earlier a supranational integration process simply does not stand. No international or domestic ‘campaign’ could convince Serbian public opinion about this.

    Bluff number 3: Serbia’s ‘progressive elite’ wants to cut off « the cancer of Kosovo ».

    One of the most common bluffs relies on praising an undefined “progressive elite” in Serbia, which is trying to persuade the rest of the “unrealistic”, “nationalist” and “archaic” population to get rid of a “cancer” called Kosovo. The problem is that these “pro-independence progressives” are so insignificant in numbers that they do not carry any political or moral weight. On the other side, the large majority of Serbs do not think of Kosovo from an ‘irrational’, ‘retrograding’ or ‘nationalist’ point of view as it is often portrayed, but rather as a key aspect of their cultural, historical and spiritual identity which they are absolutely not ready to relinquish.

    Bluff number 4: If Serbia does not cut off Kosovo, Albanians will flood Serbia within the next fifty years due to their growing numbers.

    If the Kosovo Albanians really aim to continue using population growth for geopolitical objectives – which seems highly unlikely – they will “flood” Serbia anyhow because, within the EU, with or without borders, there will be free movement, settlement and employment opportunities. There will be no China Wall borders inside Europe.


    Bluff number 5: If they do not get what they want, Albanians will explode in violence.



    The Albanian lobby argues that if it does not get their maximalistic demand of independence, Kosovo Albanians will explode in violence against the Serbs, other non-Albanians and the international troops. They point to the massive anti-Serb campaign of ethnic cleansing in March 2004 as a warning of what could happen if their desires are not satisfied. Yet, NATO read through the bluff and the Alliance’s Secretary-General has warned on several occasions that violence as means of promoting political objectives in the status talks would be met this time with a robust answer from 17,000 NATO troops.


    Threats of violence must not be legitimized nor used as arguments.

    Bluff number 6: Human rights standards will be achieved only if and when Kosovo becomes independent.

    (LIEST MAL HIER .....BILLIGE VERSUCHE BZW: ERPRESSUNGEN SIND DAS, DA LACHT SICH DIE EU KAPUTT WEN DIE JA SOETWAS HÖREN)


    The laissez-faire policy towards Albanian extremism and separatism has led to an utmost failure in providing the most basic security and living conditions for the Serb community, much to the shame of the UN mission in Kosovo and other international organizations. The policy of “standards before status”, proclaimed by the international community in 2003 and buried as failure by the same in late 2005, is considered to have been a bluff aimed at paving the way to the status talks. The new policy is now “status and standards”, while the proponents of “conditional independence” suggest even a policy of “standards after status”. Given this gameplay with human rights, it is no surprise that Kosovo is, with an exception of heavily-protected Serb enclaves and ghettos, an ethnically-pure Albanian territory. This downsizing of “standards” can also perhaps explain why the international community so blatantly failed to create conditions for the return of 220,000 expelled Serbs from Kosovo. If thousands of heavily-equipped NATO soldiers, UN police, OSCE monitors and EU experts did not succeed, who can guarantee that the perpetrators of the crimes and violence will do it instead?



    Bluff number 7: There’s no economic progress in Kosovo without independence.
    (UND HIER VERSUCHEN ALBANISCHE TERRORISTEN GELD VON BELGRAD ZU KLAUEN.....UND WENN DAS KEIN KLAU ODER DIEBSTAHL IST WAS DIESEN ERPRESSUNGSVERSUCH ANGEHT....Dann ist es wiederum ein Beweis dafür das dort unten wirklich ungebildete Leute ans Werk sind die Absolut null ahnung habe was Politik...besser gesagt..wirtschaftsPolitik angeht)
    ABSOLUT KÖSTLICH DIESE BEHAUPTUNGEN..... Ein Wahrer Clown diese Kos-Albano-Politiker....Köstlich-Köstlich-Köstlich.....




    Six years after its unnatural economic isolation from the rest of Serbia, Kosovo has become the only area in Europe to have a negative growth rate and holds the infamous first place in terms of unemployment rate (45% official, 70% unofficial). It is widely regarded as a non-viable entity which lacks the administrative capacity to pursue European integration and reforms. In order to reverse this negative trend, Kosovo does not need independence. It does not need a seat in the UN to have access to international financial institutions. The European Commission and the Council have called for this access for Kosovo, and Belgrade fully agrees with the idea. Furthermore, a compromising solution would revive economic relations between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia – it would settle privatization and property rights problems and pave the way for economic integration rather than permanent animosity.

    Bluff number 8: Only independence will solve “the Albanian Question” and put an end to the desintegration of the Balkans.

    Quite the opposite. Changing current borders in the Balkans amounts to opening Pandora’s box. An independent Kosovo would trigger an unstoppable domino effect in the Serbian part of Bosnia, in Western Macedonia (Albanians), northern Vojvodina (Hungarians), possibly Sandjak (Bosniak Muslims), southern Montenegro (Albanians), Herceg Bosna (Croats)… And we’re back to square one, with a bonus explosive precedent of one nation having two states – Albania and Kosovo. It is unlikely that Albanian aspirations would stop there, as much as it is hard to believe that other Balkans nations would stand by and applaud.



    (UND JETZT DER HAMMER !!!!!!!!!!! VORSICHT NICHT VOM STUHL FALLEN....... ACHTUNG ÜBERNEHME KEINE VERANTWORTUNG WENN SICH FORUM-USER SICH DABEI TOD LACHEN......

    --->Bluff number 9a: Everything has already been decided: Kosovo will be independent.<------

    MIT READY KÖNNEN DIE KOS-ALBANER HÖCHSTENS DEN KOLEKTIVEN UNTERGANG DAMIT MEINEN



    There are many attempts to refocus and spin the talks in the direction of Kosovo’s independence, from those who say that these are “talks on Kosovo’s independence” to those who argue that “the negotiations will be about the position of the Kosovo Serbs, not the status” or that the “talks will be about finding a way to impose independence upon Belgrade”. While there are a few officials who have, more privately than publicly, indicated their preference for such options, these are completely contrary to the proclaimed stands of the Contact Group and the UN Security Council. All major capitals – in Brussels, Washington, Paris, Rome or Moscow – call for a dialogue, a negotiated solution, a compromise and constructive, good faith negotiations. On the other side, all those who say that everything is over before it has started either have a crystal ball or are deliberately trying to undermine the negotiations and forcefully impose a solution.

    Bluff number 9b: “Conditional independence” is the only option for Kosovo.

    Trying to close down the debate before the talks have even started and stating that “conditional independence” is the only possible option amounts much more to media spinning than to a contribution to a long lasting and compromising solution. This empty formula is even presented by some as a compromise solution, because Albanians “will have to wait a few more years” or “to give up on the idea of Greater Albania”... Many of its backers suggest “conditional independence” means that Kosovo will be granted independence in phases, provided the majority Albanians start respecting human rights of the Serbs and other non-Albanians. But this option is an insult to negotiators and modern human rights standards. If Belgrade is resolutely opposed to immediate independence, why would it accept it two or three years from now? If the Albanians are not able to enforce the most basic standards under international supervision, why would they do it when left alone? Is “conditional independence” introducing a new kind of trade: “human rights for territory”?

    Bluff number 10: Kosovo is a unique case, it will not represent a precedent.

    What is so unique about Kosovo? Why should it be an exception in the world? There are hundreds of ethnic groups in the world that feel politically discriminated – why is the Albanian community in Kosovo different or superior to all of them? If Kosovo, why not Abkhazia, Transdniestria, Tibet, Kurdistan or the 500+ other ethnic groups officially awaiting independence? It had been a public secret for a while now that some “goodwill advisors” had been suggesting to the team of UN mediator Martti Ahtisaari to find a “legal basis for the uniqueness of Kosovo in order to avoid a precedent”. Russia has been the first to publicly read through this bluff and denounce it. The universality of principles is now firmly set to become a basis for the Kosovo solution.






    DIESE LÜGEN SIND WIE WIR ALLE WISSEN FAKT !!!!!!!!!

    DER ÜBERMUT DER KOS-ALANER HAT DABEI ABER EINES ÜBERSEHEN....... UND ZWAR IST ES DAS, DASS DIE EU UND CO. DIESE LÜGEN NICHT ÜBERSEHEN HAT UND ES UNOFFICIEL ALS EIN TOTALES RISIKO EINSTUFFT SOLLTE DAS KOSOVO UNABHÄNGIG WERDEN.

    EINS IST KLAR UND SCHON UNOFFICIEL BESCHLOSSEN..... WER DIE PRESSE GENAU UNTER DER LUPE NIMMT UND SO EINIGE AUSSAGEN LIEST DER WIRD MERKEN "KOSOVO BLEIBT BEI SERBIEN" UND WIESSO???????
    NA GANZ EINFACH!!!!!!!! WEIL ES ZU SERBIEN GEHÖRT.....

    Sogar Tony Blair und sein Kollege Busch sind dagegen..... man braucht nur ihre statements genau unter der Lupe zu nehmen und schon wird man einiges erkennen.....
    Bei Blair sowieso ....ich sage nur..."SIEHE IRLAND PROBLEM"
    Genauso die Turkei....."SIEHE KURDE PROBLEM"....Es ist verrückt das sogar die Türken dagegen sind....IST ABER SO!!!!!!!

    Ich will nich alle aufzählen.....aber glaubt mir, DIE LISTE IST LANG.....
    dAZU KOMMT AUCH DAS sERBIEN ENDLICH EIN mACHTWORT GESPROCHEN HAT UND IN DER USA genaustens klar gemacht hat wer der Herr im Hause ist......Schliesslich will man ja keinen Terrorstaat zulassen....erst Recht nicht jetzt wo die Welt im Krieg gegen den Terror steht.



    ihr seid eher ein terror staat als kosova

  6. #6
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    Re: Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    Zitat Zitat von Velez
    b]

    ihr seid eher ein terror staat als kosova[/quote]

    Über 90% der Kosovaren haben mit dem Extremismus Nichts zu tun und das sollten wir mal nicht vergessen. Wie überall im Balkan und in der Welt, sitzen nur die Profiteure von Chaos ganz oben in der Politik und die haben kein Interesse, das sich am Chaos was ändert.

    Entscheidend ist nur Eines im Moment!

    Die Resolution 1244, sieht und sah nur eine Autonomie des Kosovo vor!

    "In Bekräftigung des Bekenntnisses aller Mitgliedstaaten zur Souveränität und territorialen Unversehrtheit der Bundesrepublik Jugoslawien ..."
    Im Wortlaut: Die Resolution 1244 (1999) des UN-Sicherheitsrats, worin von Autonomie des Kosovo, nicht von staatlicher Unabhängigkeit gesprochen wird

    Resolution 1244 (1999)

    http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb5/frieden...-res-1244.html

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    Re: Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    Zitat Zitat von port80
    (vornerein will ich darauf hinweisen auf punkt 5 zu schauen.....hier wird klargestellt was mit den Albanern passiert sollten sie aufmucken.




    A BLUFFER’S GUIDE TO THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVO



    Bluff number 1: Serbia has lost Kosovo in 1999.

    This ‘statement’ is only an interpretation and does not stand in any single international document, let alone in the UN Security Council resolution 1244, where “self-governing” is mentioned three times, “self-government” four times, “self-administration” once, “substantial autonomy” three times; whereas neither “self-determination” nor “independence” is mentioned in the document. Did NATO intervene in 1999 to protect human rights or to provide basis for a secession? If Kosovo was lost for Serbia in 1999, why did it not obtain independence then? As far as the so-called moral argument that it is the violence of former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milošević which lost Kosovo for Serbia, the Kosovo Albanians should be least inclined to favor it since their massive and systematic violence and repression of the Serb community in the last six years of “peace” has taken all the moral credit out of their hands.

    Bluff number 2: Serbia should choose between Kosovo and the EU.

    Under the EU Thessaloniki Agenda, Serbia has a clear European perspective and as the Western Balkans most powerful player, it will certainly not remain a black hole inside the European Union. To argue that Serbia should cut off a large part of its territory – a cradle of its civilization, culture and religion for nine centuries now– for the sake of maybe entering two or three years earlier a supranational integration process simply does not stand. No international or domestic ‘campaign’ could convince Serbian public opinion about this.

    Bluff number 3: Serbia’s ‘progressive elite’ wants to cut off « the cancer of Kosovo ».

    One of the most common bluffs relies on praising an undefined “progressive elite” in Serbia, which is trying to persuade the rest of the “unrealistic”, “nationalist” and “archaic” population to get rid of a “cancer” called Kosovo. The problem is that these “pro-independence progressives” are so insignificant in numbers that they do not carry any political or moral weight. On the other side, the large majority of Serbs do not think of Kosovo from an ‘irrational’, ‘retrograding’ or ‘nationalist’ point of view as it is often portrayed, but rather as a key aspect of their cultural, historical and spiritual identity which they are absolutely not ready to relinquish.

    Bluff number 4: If Serbia does not cut off Kosovo, Albanians will flood Serbia within the next fifty years due to their growing numbers.

    If the Kosovo Albanians really aim to continue using population growth for geopolitical objectives – which seems highly unlikely – they will “flood” Serbia anyhow because, within the EU, with or without borders, there will be free movement, settlement and employment opportunities. There will be no China Wall borders inside Europe.


    Bluff number 5: If they do not get what they want, Albanians will explode in violence.



    The Albanian lobby argues that if it does not get their maximalistic demand of independence, Kosovo Albanians will explode in violence against the Serbs, other non-Albanians and the international troops. They point to the massive anti-Serb campaign of ethnic cleansing in March 2004 as a warning of what could happen if their desires are not satisfied. Yet, NATO read through the bluff and the Alliance’s Secretary-General has warned on several occasions that violence as means of promoting political objectives in the status talks would be met this time with a robust answer from 17,000 NATO troops.


    Threats of violence must not be legitimized nor used as arguments.

    Bluff number 6: Human rights standards will be achieved only if and when Kosovo becomes independent.

    (LIEST MAL HIER .....BILLIGE VERSUCHE BZW: ERPRESSUNGEN SIND DAS, DA LACHT SICH DIE EU KAPUTT WEN DIE JA SOETWAS HÖREN)


    The laissez-faire policy towards Albanian extremism and separatism has led to an utmost failure in providing the most basic security and living conditions for the Serb community, much to the shame of the UN mission in Kosovo and other international organizations. The policy of “standards before status”, proclaimed by the international community in 2003 and buried as failure by the same in late 2005, is considered to have been a bluff aimed at paving the way to the status talks. The new policy is now “status and standards”, while the proponents of “conditional independence” suggest even a policy of “standards after status”. Given this gameplay with human rights, it is no surprise that Kosovo is, with an exception of heavily-protected Serb enclaves and ghettos, an ethnically-pure Albanian territory. This downsizing of “standards” can also perhaps explain why the international community so blatantly failed to create conditions for the return of 220,000 expelled Serbs from Kosovo. If thousands of heavily-equipped NATO soldiers, UN police, OSCE monitors and EU experts did not succeed, who can guarantee that the perpetrators of the crimes and violence will do it instead?



    Bluff number 7: There’s no economic progress in Kosovo without independence.
    (UND HIER VERSUCHEN ALBANISCHE TERRORISTEN GELD VON BELGRAD ZU KLAUEN.....UND WENN DAS KEIN KLAU ODER DIEBSTAHL IST WAS DIESEN ERPRESSUNGSVERSUCH ANGEHT....Dann ist es wiederum ein Beweis dafür das dort unten wirklich ungebildete Leute ans Werk sind die Absolut null ahnung habe was Politik...besser gesagt..wirtschaftsPolitik angeht)
    ABSOLUT KÖSTLICH DIESE BEHAUPTUNGEN..... Ein Wahrer Clown diese Kos-Albano-Politiker....Köstlich-Köstlich-Köstlich.....




    Six years after its unnatural economic isolation from the rest of Serbia, Kosovo has become the only area in Europe to have a negative growth rate and holds the infamous first place in terms of unemployment rate (45% official, 70% unofficial). It is widely regarded as a non-viable entity which lacks the administrative capacity to pursue European integration and reforms. In order to reverse this negative trend, Kosovo does not need independence. It does not need a seat in the UN to have access to international financial institutions. The European Commission and the Council have called for this access for Kosovo, and Belgrade fully agrees with the idea. Furthermore, a compromising solution would revive economic relations between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia – it would settle privatization and property rights problems and pave the way for economic integration rather than permanent animosity.

    Bluff number 8: Only independence will solve “the Albanian Question” and put an end to the desintegration of the Balkans.

    Quite the opposite. Changing current borders in the Balkans amounts to opening Pandora’s box. An independent Kosovo would trigger an unstoppable domino effect in the Serbian part of Bosnia, in Western Macedonia (Albanians), northern Vojvodina (Hungarians), possibly Sandjak (Bosniak Muslims), southern Montenegro (Albanians), Herceg Bosna (Croats)… And we’re back to square one, with a bonus explosive precedent of one nation having two states – Albania and Kosovo. It is unlikely that Albanian aspirations would stop there, as much as it is hard to believe that other Balkans nations would stand by and applaud.



    (UND JETZT DER HAMMER !!!!!!!!!!! VORSICHT NICHT VOM STUHL FALLEN....... ACHTUNG ÜBERNEHME KEINE VERANTWORTUNG WENN SICH FORUM-USER SICH DABEI TOD LACHEN......

    --->Bluff number 9a: Everything has already been decided: Kosovo will be independent.<------

    MIT READY KÖNNEN DIE KOS-ALBANER HÖCHSTENS DEN KOLEKTIVEN UNTERGANG DAMIT MEINEN



    There are many attempts to refocus and spin the talks in the direction of Kosovo’s independence, from those who say that these are “talks on Kosovo’s independence” to those who argue that “the negotiations will be about the position of the Kosovo Serbs, not the status” or that the “talks will be about finding a way to impose independence upon Belgrade”. While there are a few officials who have, more privately than publicly, indicated their preference for such options, these are completely contrary to the proclaimed stands of the Contact Group and the UN Security Council. All major capitals – in Brussels, Washington, Paris, Rome or Moscow – call for a dialogue, a negotiated solution, a compromise and constructive, good faith negotiations. On the other side, all those who say that everything is over before it has started either have a crystal ball or are deliberately trying to undermine the negotiations and forcefully impose a solution.

    Bluff number 9b: “Conditional independence” is the only option for Kosovo.

    Trying to close down the debate before the talks have even started and stating that “conditional independence” is the only possible option amounts much more to media spinning than to a contribution to a long lasting and compromising solution. This empty formula is even presented by some as a compromise solution, because Albanians “will have to wait a few more years” or “to give up on the idea of Greater Albania”... Many of its backers suggest “conditional independence” means that Kosovo will be granted independence in phases, provided the majority Albanians start respecting human rights of the Serbs and other non-Albanians. But this option is an insult to negotiators and modern human rights standards. If Belgrade is resolutely opposed to immediate independence, why would it accept it two or three years from now? If the Albanians are not able to enforce the most basic standards under international supervision, why would they do it when left alone? Is “conditional independence” introducing a new kind of trade: “human rights for territory”?

    Bluff number 10: Kosovo is a unique case, it will not represent a precedent.

    What is so unique about Kosovo? Why should it be an exception in the world? There are hundreds of ethnic groups in the world that feel politically discriminated – why is the Albanian community in Kosovo different or superior to all of them? If Kosovo, why not Abkhazia, Transdniestria, Tibet, Kurdistan or the 500+ other ethnic groups officially awaiting independence? It had been a public secret for a while now that some “goodwill advisors” had been suggesting to the team of UN mediator Martti Ahtisaari to find a “legal basis for the uniqueness of Kosovo in order to avoid a precedent”. Russia has been the first to publicly read through this bluff and denounce it. The universality of principles is now firmly set to become a basis for the Kosovo solution.






    DIESE LÜGEN SIND WIE WIR ALLE WISSEN FAKT !!!!!!!!!

    DER ÜBERMUT DER KOS-ALANER HAT DABEI ABER EINES ÜBERSEHEN....... UND ZWAR IST ES DAS, DASS DIE EU UND CO. DIESE LÜGEN NICHT ÜBERSEHEN HAT UND ES UNOFFICIEL ALS EIN TOTALES RISIKO EINSTUFFT SOLLTE DAS KOSOVO UNABHÄNGIG WERDEN.

    EINS IST KLAR UND SCHON UNOFFICIEL BESCHLOSSEN..... WER DIE PRESSE GENAU UNTER DER LUPE NIMMT UND SO EINIGE AUSSAGEN LIEST DER WIRD MERKEN "KOSOVO BLEIBT BEI SERBIEN" UND WIESSO???????
    NA GANZ EINFACH!!!!!!!! WEIL ES ZU SERBIEN GEHÖRT.....

    Sogar Tony Blair und sein Kollege Busch sind dagegen..... man braucht nur ihre statements genau unter der Lupe zu nehmen und schon wird man einiges erkennen.....
    Bei Blair sowieso ....ich sage nur..."SIEHE IRLAND PROBLEM"
    Genauso die Turkei....."SIEHE KURDE PROBLEM"....Es ist verrückt das sogar die Türken dagegen sind....IST ABER SO!!!!!!!

    Ich will nich alle aufzählen.....aber glaubt mir, DIE LISTE IST LANG.....
    dAZU KOMMT AUCH DAS sERBIEN ENDLICH EIN mACHTWORT GESPROCHEN HAT UND IN DER USA genaustens klar gemacht hat wer der Herr im Hause ist......Schliesslich will man ja keinen Terrorstaat zulassen....erst Recht nicht jetzt wo die Welt im Krieg gegen den Terror steht.


    Ruhe in der hinteren Reihe du "U ntermensch"

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    Re: Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    Zitat Zitat von lupo-de-mare

    Die Resolution 1244, sieht und sah nur eine Autonomie des Kosovo vor!

    "In Bekräftigung des Bekenntnisses aller Mitgliedstaaten zur Souveränität und territorialen Unversehrtheit der Bundesrepublik Jugoslawien ..."
    Im Wortlaut: Die Resolution 1244 (1999) des UN-Sicherheitsrats, worin von Autonomie des Kosovo, nicht von staatlicher Unabhängigkeit gesprochen wird

    Resolution 1244 (1999)

    http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb5/frieden...-res-1244.html
    Und der ist für uns Albaner inakzeptabel , diese Organisationen , egal welche sich für uns nicht von großer Bedeutung , diese benutzen wir Albaner als Werkzeug

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    hallo zusammen , ich grüsse euch ..

    hey kosovaren , ihr bekommt euren staat und dafür habt ihr unsere unterstützung , egal wie dieses aussehen mag, aber darüber hinaus solltet ihr dann eure schnauze halten und euch von jeglichem gedönz fernhalten !!! für euch gibt es keine angliederungen an AL oder an MK !!! bleibt dort und geht bitte nicht aus den grenzen raus ....falls doch , so werden wir aus MK und AL einschreiten müssen...

    bibchen

  10. #10
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    Re: Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo

    Zitat Zitat von port80
    Die 10 Grosse Lügen über das Kosovo
    "Die die Serben haben keine Probleme mit der Grammatik"

    Das ist mit Sicherheit eine Lüge.

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