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Erstellt von Albanesi, 03.04.2005, 15:45 Uhr · 19 Antworten · 2.092 Aufrufe

  1. #11
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    Erläutere doch mal deine AUssage. Was verbindet uns denn deiner Meinung nach mit den Bulgaren? Die Sprache etwa? Das ich nicht lache, die makedonische Sprache besteht aus zwei dialekten. Westmakedoner wie ich verstehen jeden anderen Slwaen besser. Und was Ohrid für uns SLawen bedeutet muss ich dir hoffentlich nicht erzählen, der HL.KLEMENT lässt grüssen...

    Warum fragst du mich das was habe ich als Albaner mit dem Bulgaren gemeinsam?

    Aber warum steht ihr zu das was ihr was ihr doch wirklich seid!

    Ihr seid auch Makedonier wie jeder andere Bewohner der ganzen Region Makedoniens auch !

    Und außerdem hängte es vom Staat Makedonien ab , ihr seid Slawen seid auch Staatsbürger ,wie die Romas , Albaner , Aromunen , Türken usw auch Makedonier sind!

    Was ist wenn es dem Staat garnicht gäbe , wenns Tito nicht gegeben hätte , davor wart ihr mal Osmanen ,Bulgaren und Serben !

    Und außerdem gibt es doch gerade bei euch viele Probulgaren!

    Der Ljube Georgievski z.B was ist er jetzt , Bulgare oder Makedonier?

    Und nicht die bulgarischen Staatsbürger in Makedonien zu vergessen...
    Warum ich dich frage? Weil du ständig klugscheissern tuest, und einen auf Gebildet spielst. Doch in Wahrheit bist du geistig unterentwickelt,und dein Spiel ist schnell durchschaubar.

    Wie immer konntest du die Frage nicht beantworten, was anderes sind wir von dir auch nicht gewohnt.

    Versuch es doch mal mit der Frage, WIESO WURDE DER HL.KLEMENT,ALS MAKEDONSICHER HL: kLEMENT BETITIELT,UND WIESO BESTAND ER DARAUF?

    SAGT DIR DER STAMM DER MAKEDONISCHEN BRANITELCI ETWAS?

    WIR SIND ENTHNISCHE MAKEDONEN IM GEGENSATZ ZU DIR UND DEINEM GLEICHEN,DENN DU BIST UND BLEIBST ALBANER.

    WAS HABEN DIE BESATZUNGEN UND OKKUPATIONEN MAKEDONIENS MIT DEM THEMA ZUTUN? WEDER IHR ALBANER,NOCH DIE KLEINSATIATISCHEN FLÜCHTLINGE AUS KLEINASIEN SEIT MAKEDONIER.

    WO gibt es denn bitte viele Probulgaren? Erläutere und belege dich einmal deine dämlichen AUssagen.Kerle,Kerle deine Gessabere ist nicht mehr zum aushalten.

    Und von welchen bulgarischen Staatsbürgern redest du? DU HAST KEINE AHNUNG KLEINER.UND DU HAST ES EBEN WEIDER EINMAL BEWIESEN,NA BRAVO!!!

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    GEGENFRAGE?

    Von 1912 als ihr (Slawo)-makedonier euch ja nicht selber befreit konntet , sondern die Region wurde in der Zeit von den Bulgaren (Pirin-Makedonien) , Griechen (Ägais-Makedonien) und Serben (Vardar-Makedonien und heutige so entstandene Republik Makedonien) aufgeteilt!

    In der Zeit bis zum zweiten Weltkrieg wart ihr als makedonische Nation nicht in Erscheinung betreten!

    Oder kannst du mir das Gegenteil beweisen?

    Hier Lies:

    http://www.macedoniainfo.com/docs/ma...n_question.htm

    Sir Arthur John Evans ist einer der größte Balkanexperte und sagte in der Zeit von 1903 wo im Eliastag oder Ilinden die Völker in Makedonien sich von den der Tyranei der Türken befreien wollten:



    Let me begin by correcting an almost universal fallacy. There are no 'Macedonians'. There are Bulgars. There are Roumans - the relics of the Latin-speaking provincials of Rome's Illyrian provinces, who still hold their own in the Pindus range and in the neighboring towns. There are Greeks, including more or less superficially Hellenized Roumans. There are 'Turks,' including Mohammedan Bulgarians, and some true Turkish villages in the Vardar valley representing a settlement earlier than the Ottoman conquest. There is an infusion of Skipetars or Albanians on the western and northern fringe. Finally, there is the large Spanish Jew population in Salonika. But there are no 'Macedonians'.


    Und spare dir deine Beleidigungen , denn das Beweist das du doch der derjenige bist der echte Komplexe hat!

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    Warum lügst du?

    Bulgarische Faschisten ermordeten makedonische Kleriker,Geistliche und andere Intelektuelle.Und das nicht nur einmal, doch wem erzähl ich das? Du hast sowieso Null Ahnung von Makedonien...
    Der einzige der Lügt und keine Ahnung hat bist du !

    Und weisst du warum?

    In der Zeit hatten die Serben bis zum zweiten Weltkrieg in Makedonien geherrscht und nannten es Südserbien und nicht Makedonien erst danach unter Tito Regenschaft hatte ihr eine eigene Teilrepublik bekommen.

    http://derstandard.at/?url=/?channel...VO%26id=517020

    Die Serben sahen die späteren Mazedonier als "Südserben" und die Region als "Südserbien" an. In der Zwischenkriegszeit wurde die Region von Belgrad regelrecht kolonisiert. Serbische Siedler erhielten Land, serbische Beamte übernahmen die Verwaltung, das serbische Militär und die serbisch-orthodoxe Kirche zeigten Flagge.

    Erst unter dem Gründer des kommunistischen Jugoslawien, Marschall Josip Broz Tito, wurden die Mazedonier aufgewertet. Sie erhielten ihre gleichberechtigte Teilrepublik, die Entwicklung des Mazedonischen wurde staatlich gefördert. Ein eigenes Wörterbuch, eine eigene Grammatik und eine selbstständige Rechtschreibung wurden kodifiziert. Schließlich spaltete sich die orthodoxe Kirche Mazedoniens von der serbischen Mutter ab.


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    Und in dieser Zeit als Makedonien noch unter serbischer Herrschaft noch Südserbien war!

    Haben deine faschichtischen Artgenossen von der VMRO gegen die Serben gekämpft und wollten sie aus der heutigen Makedonien vertreiben und mit Bulgarien anschliessen was am Anfang bis zum Ende des zweiten Weltkrieg geschah unter Hitler Gnaden!

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    http://lexikon.idgr.de/u/u_s/ustascha/ustascha.php

    Das Wien der späten 1920er Jahre war ein Tummelplatz von Exilanten verschiedenster jugoslawischer oppositioneller Richtungen. Dort traf Pavelic makedonische Separatisten der VMRO ("Interne Makedonische Revolutionäre Organisation" - "Vŭtreshnata Makedono-Odrinska Revolutsionna Organizatsiya"), die seit Anfang der 1920er Jahre mit terroristischen Mitteln für die Abtrennung von Jugoslawien und für den Anschluss an Bulgarien kämpfte. Pavelic entwickelte enge Beziehungen zu der Organisation und besuchte 1931 den VMRO-Anführer Ivan "Vancia" Mihailov in dessen Hauptquartier nahe der bulgarischen Hauptstadt Sofia.

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    Und das noch bis heute versuchen !

    Was faselst du dann das Bulgaren , "makedonische" Intellektuelle , Geistliche , Lehrer usw liquidiert hätten , vielleicht waren es proserbische oder nur Serben , denn sie waren die Beherscher und die hohe Klasse dort!

    Außerdem töteten die Serben und Griechen als sie Teile Makedonien in ihren besetzen Gebieten als sie es unter sich aufgeteilt hatten auch probulgarische Lehrer , Geistliche , Intellektuellen!

  4. #14
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    Zitat Zitat von Albanesi
    GEGENFRAGE?

    Von 1912 als ihr (Slawo)-makedonier euch ja nicht selber befreit konntet , sondern die Region wurde in der Zeit von den Bulgaren (Pirin-Makedonien) , Griechen (Ägais-Makedonien) und Serben (Vardar-Makedonien und heutige so entstandene Republik Makedonien) aufgeteilt!

    In der Zeit bis zum zweiten Weltkrieg wart ihr als makedonische Nation nicht in Erscheinung betreten!

    Oder kannst du mir das Gegenteil beweisen?

    Hier Lies:

    http://www.macedoniainfo.com/docs/ma...n_question.htm

    Sir Arthur John Evans ist einer der größte Balkanexperte und sagte in der Zeit von 1903 wo im Eliastag oder Ilinden die Völker in Makedonien sich von den der Tyranei der Türken befreien wollten:



    Let me begin by correcting an almost universal fallacy. There are no 'Macedonians'. There are Bulgars. There are Roumans - the relics of the Latin-speaking provincials of Rome's Illyrian provinces, who still hold their own in the Pindus range and in the neighboring towns. There are Greeks, including more or less superficially Hellenized Roumans. There are 'Turks,' including Mohammedan Bulgarians, and some true Turkish villages in the Vardar valley representing a settlement earlier than the Ottoman conquest. There is an infusion of Skipetars or Albanians on the western and northern fringe. Finally, there is the large Spanish Jew population in Salonika. But there are no 'Macedonians'.


    Und spare dir deine Beleidigungen , denn das Beweist das du doch der derjenige bist der echte Komplexe hat!

    Wie kommt ein Albaner an eine typisch braune bulgarsiche Quelle? Das hier ist die Quelle von dem von dir geposteten Tex----->http://www.macedoniainfo.com/

    Soll ich dich in Zukunft wirklich ernst nehmen? Weisst du was für eine Quelle das ist du Depp? Du erbärmliche kleine Kreatur hast dich soeben disqualifitziert.

    Und nur damit du nicht dumm stirbst,hier ein paar Zitate aus international anerkannten Quellen...

    April 26th, 1690

    Letter of protection from Leopold I. ...This is to inform you that two Macedonians, Marko Kraida born in Kosana and Dimitri Georgi Popovic, born in Macedonian Salonika, have told us that the Macedonian people, with respect for our most righteous task, with devotion and zeal towards our service....we graciously accept them under our imperial and royal mercy and in any case and way the above mantioned Macedonian people, cordially recommending to each and all of our willing commanders not to attack the Macedonian people....Issued in Vienna, April 26th, 1690. Representatives: defenders of the Macedonian people.... J. Radonic, Prilozi za istoriju Srba u Ungarskoj u XVI, XVII and XVIII veku. Knj. I, Matice srpske, nbr 25 and 26, Novi Sad 1908, p. 52-53.

    1704

    The French treveller and writer Paul Luca on Macedonia ...and hour after midnight for Kavalla, which is six miles away and once was a large Macedonian city by the sea coast. We should note that almost all the villages in Macedonia are full of Christians and there are few Turks. A. Matkovski and P. Angelakova, Patuvanjata na francuskiot petepisec Pol Luka niz Makedonija od 1704 do 1714-Istorija v/2 (1969). p. 101.

    End of 18th C.

    Reports by the French Consul in Salonika, Felix de Beaujour, about Macedonia. The pashalik of Salonika includes the whole of Lower Macedonia and covers 700 sq. miles....it must be noted that here I am only speaking about the most populated part of Macedonia; since Upper Macedonia and Epirus are less populated....In Macedonia, as in Poland, the peasants die from hunger, while the masters live in abundance of gold... Felix de Beaujour, Voyage militaire dans l'Empire Othoman, I, Paris 1829, p. 127-128. n.1; p.130, 132.

    1821

    Macedonians pertecipate in the Romanian uprising ...At that time there was a man they called Sludzar Todor who urged all the foreigners (mostly Macedonians) to rebel against the boyar... Marko K. Cepenkov, Makedonsko narodno tvoreshtvo, Kn. X, Skopje 1972, p.308

    1846

    ...I learnt the Slav alphabet from my father Makedonski, who calls himself so because we are Macedonians, and not Greeks.... Georgija Makedonski, Bogosluzhbena kniga "Opshti minej" - vo crkvata vo s. Radibush, Kriva Palanka, posledna nepagirana stranica.



    Noch Fragen du dummes dämliches Wesen???

  5. #15
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    Warum lügst du?

    Bulgarische Faschisten ermordeten makedonische Kleriker,Geistliche und andere Intelektuelle.Und das nicht nur einmal, doch wem erzähl ich das? Du hast sowieso Null Ahnung von Makedonien...
    Der einzige der Lügt und keine Ahnung hat bist du !

    Und weisst du warum?

    In der Zeit hatten die Serben bis zum zweiten Weltkrieg in Makedonien geherrscht und nannten es Südserbien und nicht Makedonien erst danach unter Tito Regenschaft hatte ihr eine eigene Teilrepublik bekommen.

    http://derstandard.at/?url=/?channel...VO%26id=517020

    Die Serben sahen die späteren Mazedonier als "Südserben" und die Region als "Südserbien" an. In der Zwischenkriegszeit wurde die Region von Belgrad regelrecht kolonisiert. Serbische Siedler erhielten Land, serbische Beamte übernahmen die Verwaltung, das serbische Militär und die serbisch-orthodoxe Kirche zeigten Flagge.

    Erst unter dem Gründer des kommunistischen Jugoslawien, Marschall Josip Broz Tito, wurden die Mazedonier aufgewertet. Sie erhielten ihre gleichberechtigte Teilrepublik, die Entwicklung des Mazedonischen wurde staatlich gefördert. Ein eigenes Wörterbuch, eine eigene Grammatik und eine selbstständige Rechtschreibung wurden kodifiziert. Schließlich spaltete sich die orthodoxe Kirche Mazedoniens von der serbischen Mutter ab.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Und in dieser Zeit als Makedonien noch unter serbischer Herrschaft noch Südserbien war!

    Haben deine faschichtischen Artgenossen von der VMRO gegen die Serben gekämpft und wollten sie aus der heutigen Makedonien vertreiben und mit Bulgarien anschliessen was am Anfang bis zum Ende des zweiten Weltkrieg geschah unter Hitler Gnaden!

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    http://lexikon.idgr.de/u/u_s/ustascha/ustascha.php

    Das Wien der späten 1920er Jahre war ein Tummelplatz von Exilanten verschiedenster jugoslawischer oppositioneller Richtungen. Dort traf Pavelic makedonische Separatisten der VMRO ("Interne Makedonische Revolutionäre Organisation" - "Vŭtreshnata Makedono-Odrinska Revolutsionna Organizatsiya"), die seit Anfang der 1920er Jahre mit terroristischen Mitteln für die Abtrennung von Jugoslawien und für den Anschluss an Bulgarien kämpfte. Pavelic entwickelte enge Beziehungen zu der Organisation und besuchte 1931 den VMRO-Anführer Ivan "Vancia" Mihailov in dessen Hauptquartier nahe der bulgarischen Hauptstadt Sofia.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Und das noch bis heute versuchen !

    Was faselst du dann das Bulgaren , "makedonische" Intellektuelle , Geistliche , Lehrer usw liquidiert hätten , vielleicht waren es proserbische oder nur Serben , denn sie waren die Beherscher und die hohe Klasse dort!

    Außerdem töteten die Serben und Griechen als sie Teile Makedonien in ihren besetzen Gebieten als sie es unter sich aufgeteilt hatten auch probulgarische Lehrer , Geistliche , Intellektuellen!

    Sag mal wie dumm muss man eigentlich sein solch einen Text zuverfassen. Dein text ist an Schwachsinnigkeit nicht zuüberbieten. Soviel unbelegte Behauptungen auf einem Haufen kann nur von einem stinkendem braunen HitlerJungen kommen.

    Du Depp, die Vmro hatte schon immer zwei Flügel. Einen makedonischen und einen schimmligen pro-bulgarischen...

    Wer hat bitte einen der grössten makedonischen Freiheitskämpfer Makedoniens und der IMRO JAne Sandanski ermordert? Wer hat die ganzen makedonischen Kleriker,andere Geistlicher, Lehrer und andere Intellektuelle ermordet? Wer hat die Juden in Makedonien deportiert und ermordert? Junge bilde dich mit sachlichen aber vorallem neutralen Quellen anstatt verwirrte braune Scheisse ständig von dir zugeben.


    Depp du...

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    10th c. - Information about Clement* the Bulgarian Bishop in Ochrida.
    "On the same day** we celebrate the birth of Clement, Bulgarian Bishop in Ochrida, our sacred father and performer of wonders."

    H. Delehaye, Synaxarium Ecclesiae Constantinopolitanae. Propylaeum ad ASS. Novembris, Bruxelles, 1902, col 255-256; the original is in Greek.

    * Clement - disciple of Cyril and Methodius, one of the most eminent enlighteners of the Bulgarian people

    ** the day of Clement of Ochrida is celebrated today on the 8th of December

    10th - 11th c. - From the communication of the Byzantine historian Leo Grammaticus it is clear that the inhabitants of Adrianople, who were not Slavs, were called by the territorial name of "Macedonians" because in the Middle Ages part of Thrace was denoted by the name "Macedonia".
    "After Kroum had seized Adrianople*, he brought across the Danube and settled by the river many noble Macedonians and extremely large numbers of people... Setting out for Adrianople, he captured it and transferred from there 12,000 men, without counting the women and children, and settled them along the Danube... The people together with the women and children decided to pass over into Romania**... And so the Macedonians despaired, made Tsants and Cordillas their leaders and, engaging in battle, killed many and took some in captivity. The Bulgarians who could not pass over, resorted to the Ugri***. informing them of everything about the Macedonians... The next day, when they wanted to set out, the Huns**** again appeared to fight against them. Then another Macedonian by the name of Leo of the family of the Gimostes, who afterwards became Heteriarch, rose up in arms as well as other prominent Macedonians. They put them to fight and chased them away. Returning, they came on board the ships and fled to the Emperor. They were favoured by him and returned to their country Macedonia*****."

    Leonis Grammatici Chronographia, ed. Bonn, 1842, pp.208, 231-233; cf. GSBH, V, pp.155-156; the original is in Greek.

    * Adrianople was seized in 813

    ** Under Romania here are designated the European parts of Byzantium, i.e. Thrace

    *** Ugri- the Hungarians

    **** Huns - the Hungarians

    ***** Macedonia - Thrace with Adrianople as its centre

    10th - 11th c. - The same Byzantine historian Leo Grammaticus reports that Emperor Basil I* was born in Macedonia, in a village near Adrianople.
    "We deemed it necessary to relate how this same Basil was brought up and from where he descended. He was born in Macedonia, in a village near Adrianople, during the reign of Michael Rhangabe**"

    Ibidem, p. 228; cf. GSBH, V, p. 155; the original is in Greek.

    * Basil I - Emperor of Byzantium (867 - 886)

    ** Michael Rhangabe - Emperor of Byzantium (811 - 813)

    11th c. - The Bulgarian Tsar Ivan Vladislav* puts a tablet on the fortress wall of Bitolya, in which he is called "autocrator of the Bulgarians" and there is an emphasis on the fact that he is "Bulgarian"
    "[In the year 6523 (=1015) of the creation of the world was this fortress erected] built and made by Ivan autocrator of the Bulgarians with the help and prayers of Our Souvereign, the Holy Mother of God, and the intercession of twelve and of [the two] supreme apostles. This fortress was made [as] a sanc[tuary], for the salvation and the life of the Bulgarians. The Bitolya fortress was begun in the month . . . at the end . . . was Bulgarian by birth . . ."

    Yordan Zaimov, The Bitolya Inscription - in manuscript; Vl. Moshin, The Bitolya Plaque of 1018, magazine "Makedonski jazik", XVII, 1966, pp. 51 - 61; the original is in Old Bulgarian.

    * Ivan Vladislav - Bulgarian Tsar (1015 - 1018)

    11th c. - The Byzantine writer Cecaumenus* reports that the Slavs in Macedonia speak Bulgarian, that Basil II** captured 14,000 Bulgarians, that Alusianus, the son of Ivan-Vladislav, with many Bulgarians attacked Thessalonica, that Wallachians and Bulgarians live in Thessaly.
    ". . . In everything help the needy. And truly, the rich is god for the poor because he favours him. It is for this reason that the Bulgarians call the wealthy b o g a t (rich), which means b o g o p o d o b e n (god-like)..."
    "Demetrias is a sea town in Hellas, protected from the sea and from the adjacent marshes. Delyan (a bulgarian toparchos) conquered it. After seizing the town, he sent there the old warrior Litovoy of Devol, experienced in military matters (in the language of the Bulgarians the strategus is called chelnik) and provided him with troops for the protection of the fortress . . ."
    "If the enemy remains in the fortress and does not come out, and you do not know what the troops are like, take it from me that he is not numerous and that he lacks strength. Yet, in spite of this you should not underrate him but if you have troops do not allow him to relax but send light horsemen to find a way through which troops can sweep over him . . . And when you find a road do not come out to the open but stay opposite to him and send troops to penetrate through the way discovered by you. Let them have an able man as a guide. When they get in, let them make a fire, if it is during the night but if they get in during day-time, let them make smoke. And watch out! When you see that they are perplexed and confused, you should pounce on them. It was in this way that in the gorge Zagore the porphyrogenitus Emperor Sire Basil captured fourteen thousand Bulgarians, headed by the excellent warrior Samuil."
    "If you set out to fight against some people or some fortress, first of all, after you have settled and built up a camp, arrange the troops in the camp - each in his unit. Do not set up your camp very near lest you will be observed by them. When you have put up your troops and have rested, if you wish, begin the battle either against the population or against the fortress. Listen in point of fact how badly fared those who did not observe this rule. Thessalonica is a town. . . populous . . . [Alusianus*** setting out] with a great multitude of Bulgarians, so as to conquer it, did not put up his tent first, and did not settle his troops in a suitable place, but, as he was proceeding with the supply-column, approached the town walls and started the assault. His troops were exhausted from fatigue and the difficulties because even those who are distinguished by force and bodily strength may slacken off and become inactive, wearied from the long journey. And since he did not put them up in a camp, as I have mentioned, they scattered about, some wanting to drink water, others to give their horses some rest, and still others to recover themselves from fatigue. When those inside the fortress saw them loitering in a disorderly manner, they came out all of a sudden, attacked the Bulgarians and inflicted a great defeat upon them. . ."
    "While my late grandfather Cecaumenus was in Larissa as governor of Hellos, the Bulgarian ruler Samuil often tried either by war or by stratagem to capture Larissa and failed but was repulsed and outwitted by him. . ."
    "Pliris is a river with a wide valley spreading on both sides of its banks. It flows across the land of the Wallachians, dividing it into two. Nikolitsa set up his camp there, gathered the Wallachians and the Bulgarians, living nearby, and so he collected numerous troops."

    Strategicon et Incerti scriptoris de officiis reglis, ed. B. Wassiliewsky - V. Jernstedt, Petropoli, 1896; the original is in Greek.

    *Byzantine writer. His grandfather on his mother's side was an eminent nobleman at the court of Samuil. Cecaumenus lived for a long time in the western parts of Bulgaria and knew Bulgarians well.

    **Basil II called Killer of Bulgarians (Bulgaroctonus), Byzantine emperor (976-1025) who in 1018 conquered Bulgaria

    ***Son of Ivan-Vladislav

    11th c. - Charters of Basil II (1019, 1020) testifying that Samuil was at the head of the Bulgarian State; they confirm the right of the Bulgarian Church under Tsar Peter also.
    "F i r s t c h a r t e r
    Many and great are the favours which man-loving God has at different times conferred upon our Empire and which surpass any number; the greatest of them is that the Byzantine State expanded and that the State of the Bulgarians passed under one yoke (with it).
    Therefore on account of this we confirm the most pious monk loan* to the Archbishop of Bulgaria and to be in charge of the matters relating to the archbishopric.
    And since he asked for the kleroikoi and paroikoi nominated to work for the churches of his diocese, as well as for the bishops subordinate to him, to be determined in writing, we gave him the present sigilium of our Majesty by which we order:
    The Archbishop himself shall have, in the towns of his diocese, i. e. in Ochrida, Prespa, Mokro and in Kichevo, 40 kleroikoi and 30 paroikoi**.

    S e c o n d c h a r t e r
    Since after issuing this sigilium referring to the scope of each Bulgarian episcopate, the holiest Archbishop of Bulgaria asked our Majesty to issue another sigilium concerning his other bishoprics not listed in the first sigilium and the other bishoprics subordinate to him, because the neighbouring metropolitans had seized them from the Bulgarian region and had misappropriated them, and since our Majesty does not allow any one of them or of their people to make even one step into the boundaries of the Bulgarian region, we therefore lay down that the present holiest Archbishop shall possess and govern all the Bulgarian bishoprics, as well as all other towns which were under the power of Tsar Peter and Samuil and were also held by the archbishops of that time. Because it was not without blood, labour or sweat, but by years' long persistence and with God's help that this country was granted in subordination to us by God, whose goodness clearly helped us, blending into one the divided parts and putting under one yoke the boundaries, without in any way infringing the rules well established by those reigning prior to us . Because although we became the possessor of the land we yet preserved its rights intact, reaffirming them by our royal decrees and sigilia. We also lay down that the present holiest Archbishop of Bulgaria shall have as large a diocese as that under under Tsar Peter, and that he shall possess and govern all bishoprics of Bulgaria, i. e. not only those mentioned in the first sigilium but also those omitted and not indicated together with the others and which through the present sigilia are announced and listed by name. To them, as to the others, we present kleroikoi and paroikoi.
    We, therefore, decree that the Bishop of Dristra*** shall have in the towns of his bishopric and in the other towns around it 40 kleroikoi and 40 paroikoi. Because during the reign of Peter in Bulgaria this (bishopric) shone in archbishop's dignity and then the archbishops (of it) moved from one place to another, one to Triaditsa,**** the other to Vodena and Moglena, and after this we found the present Archbishop in Ochrida. For this reason (we order) Ochrida to have an archbishop, and another bishop to be ordained for Dristra.
    We decree that the holiest Archbishop of Bulgaria shall possess not only the bishoprics mentioned by names but if there are some others situated in Bulgarian lands and forgotten to be mentioned, we decree that he shall possess and govern them as well. Whatever other towns missed to be mentioned in the charters of our Majesty, shall be possessed by the same holiest Archbishop and he shall collect canonicon from them all as well as from the Wallachians throughout Bulgaria and from the Turks around the Vardar in so far as they are within the Bulgarian boundaries.
    And all strategs in Bulgaria and the other officials and archonts shall hold him in great respect and listen to his word and precepts, shall not interfere in the affairs either of a Bulgarian monastery, a chirch or any ecclesiastical matter and shall not obstruct either him or his subordinate God-tearing bishops and shall not be in their way lest such people draw upon themselves the great and merciless wrath of our Majesty.
    For this reason and as a matter of information to the Emperors after us, we drew up this sigilium and gave it to the holiest Archbishop, stamping it with the the molybdovol of our Kingdom in the month of May, indiction 3, year 6528 (1020)."

    Yordan Ivanov, Bulgarian antiquities in Macedonia), Sofia, 1931, pp. 547-562; cf. GSBH, VI, pp. 40-41, 44-47; the original is in Greek

    *Bulgarian patriarch acknowledged by Basil II for Archbishop of entire Bulgaria. Probably he was a Bulgarian from Debur

    **Kleroikoi and paroikoi were dependent

    ***Silistra at present

    ****Sofia at present

    11th-12th c. - Theophylactus, Archbishop of Bulgaria, of Greek nationality, witnesses that the language of the Slav population in Macedonia is called Bulgarian.
    ". . . * And so, while glorifying and giving praise to God they arrived to Bregalnitsa . . . and to the shrine of God was appointed a clergyman, trained in the Bulgarian language, to stay there and to sing the sacred songs all the time"

    Theophilacti Bulgariae archiepiscopi Historia martyrii XV martyrum, PGr. CXXVI, col. 208; the original is in Greek

    * In the missing text of the work of Theophylactus of Ochrida "The Sufferings of the Martyrs from Tiberlopol" there is a story of how the Bulgarian Tsar Boris I is the IXth c. ordered for a new church to be built in Bregovitsa where the relics of the saints from Stroumitsa were transferred. In the passages submitted here Theophylactus mentions about the transfer of these relics.

    11th-12th c. - The same Theophylactus of Ochrida reports about how the Bulgarians settled as true inhabitants in Old Macedonia up to Thessalonica.
    ". . . When the people (the Avars) withdrew, another people still more lawless and fierce, the so-called Bulgarians, came from the Scythian lands; crossing the river called Istros (Danube), they came as a heavy scourge, sent by God to the western parts. They did not know Christ's name and in their Scythian ignorance worshiped the Sun, the Moon and the stars. There were such as offered sacrifices to the dogs. Their minds were so muddled that they respected the creatures instead of their creator. And since they had conquered the entire Ilyric country, Old Macedonia up to the town of Thessalonica and part of Old Thrace, namely around Boruy*, I say Phillippopolis too, as well as the mountainous localities next to them, they settled as true inhabitants of the lower towns they resettled in the upper, and those of the latter in the lower towns."

    Ibidem, col. 189; cf Yordan Ivanov, opus cit., p. 121; the original is in Greek.

    *Today's Ber.

    11th-12th c. - The same Theophylactus of Ochrida writes that the inhabitants of Ochrida are Bulgarians and the local language is Bulgarian.
    (a) from a letter to Anem:*
    "By saying that you have thoroughly become a barbarian among the Bulgarians, you, dearest, say what I dream (in my sleep). Because, think of it, how much I have drunk from the cup of vulgarity, being so far away from the countries of wisdom and how much I have drunk from the lack of culture . . . Since we have been living for a long time in the land of the Bulgarians, vulgarity has become our close companion and mate."

    Gr. CXXVI, Theophylactui epistola XXI ed. Meursio; cf. Letters of Theophylactus of Ochrida, translated by metropolitan Symeon from Greek, Reg. BAS, vol. XXVII, Hist.-Philol. nad Philos.-Polit. Branch, 15, Sofia, 1931, pp. 71-72; the original is in Greek.

    *Friend of Theophylactus of Ochrida who among other complaints says that he has to live among the simple Bulgarians.

    (b) from a letter to Empress Maria:*
    "Since I went from Ochrida to the Queen of Towns**, my holy Lady, I have come across many sorrows because of my numerous sins. . . . And so I come to the Bulgarians, I, the true man of Constantinople, a Bulgarian by miracle, who smells of rot, as they smell of hide."

    Ibidem, ep. 1, ed. Lamio; cf. Letters, op. cit., pp. 180-181; the original is in Greek.

    *This is the former queen Maria, wife of Nicephorus III Botaneiates (1078-1081)

    **I. e. Constantinople

    (c) from a letter to the great domesticus:
    "There is some difference, however, that I am a slave not of a queen,* pure and beautiful and of a golden Aphrodite, but of slaves, barbarians, unclean, smelling of hide . . ."

    Ibidem ep. II, ed. Lamio; cf. Letters, op. cit., p. 188; the original is in Greek.

    *In the previous text Theophylactus says that according to the mythology Hercules was a serf to to the lovely Lydian queen Omphala

    (d) from a letter to the Bishop of Vidin:
    "And so do not lose heart, as if you were the only to suffer . . . Are there Cumans invading your land? What are they, however, in comparison with the people of Ochrida who come from the city to attack us? . . . Have you got cunning citizens? They are children in comparison with our citizens - Bulgarians . . ."

    Ibidem, ep. XVI, ed. Finetti; cf. Letters, op. cit., p. 18; the original is in Greek.

    (e) from a letter to the royal son-in-law Briennius:*
    "Because the clerics paid for the mills twice as much as the laymen, and for the strugi, as they are called in Bulgarian, which the Hellenes would call brooklets and facilitate fishing, and for them the kleroikoi were subjected to much greater damage than the others . . .
    Allergedly so as not to put to shame my high order,** from me personally he collected do much that for mills which have long since been destroyed he asked the full price and for those in good condition twice as much as from the Bulgarians."

    Ibidem, ep. XLI, ed. Finetti; cf. Letters, op. cit., p. 128; original is in Greek

    *Briennius was the husband of Anna Comnena.

    **This was the state tax collector pestering Theophylactus.

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    11th-12th c. - The same Theophylactus of Ochrida in the Long Life story of St. Clement of Ochrida testifies that the Slav language in Macedonia is Bulgarian and calls the Slavs there Bulgarians
    "4. You probably want to know who these saints are? - Mathodius who crowned the Pannonian diocese by becoming Archbishop of Moravia, and Cyril,* who was great in pagan philosophy and still greater in the Christian one . . .
    5. Because the Slav or Bulgarian people did not understand the scripture in the Greek language, the saints considered this as the greatest loss and found grounds for their inconsolable sorrow in the fact that the lamp of the Scripture was not lit in the dark country of the Bulgarians. They grieved, suffered and renounced life.
    6. And so what did they do? They turned to the consoler whose first gifts are the tongues and the words. They obtained from him the grace and invented the alphabet that corresponds to the coarseness of the Bulgarian language and enabled them to translate the Holy Scriptures into the language of the people. And indeed, by devoting themselves to strict fasting and continuous prayer to weaken the body and humiliate their soul, they achieved what they desired . . .
    7. . . . After having obtained this desired gift, they invented the Slav alphabet, translated the God-inspired Scripture from the Greek into the Bulgarian language and took care to pass on the divine knowledge to the more talented among their disciples . . .
    62. After this, having conferred with the more judicious men of his attendance, who were all favourably disposed towards Clement as if he were their own father, . . . , he (Tsar Symeon) appointed him Bishop of Drembitsa or Velika and so Clement became the First Bishop in the Bulgarian language.
    66. . . . He (Clement) made up simple and clear sermons for all holidays, which do not contain anything profound and wise but are understandable even for the simplest Bulgarian. It was with them that he nourished the souls of the plainer Bulgarians . . .
    67. . . . In every way he tried to overcome the indifference of the Bulgarians towards divine matters to get them together, attracted by the beauty of the buildings (of the shrines) and particularly to soften the cruelty, harshness and coarseness of their hearts by their coming to know God. . . ."

    Al. Milev, Greek Life Stories of Clement of Ochrida, Sofia, 1966, pp. 79, 81, 129, 133, 135; the original is in Greek.

    *Theophylactus refers to the brothers from Salonica, Cyril and Methodius

    c. 1190 - Two scribes from Macedonia refer to the Bulgarian tsar Assen as their king, although their lands were in Byzantium at that time.
    Remember also your slave Josif [Joseph] and Tihota who wrote this book with the help of our Lord and of the Holy Mother of God Virgin Mary. It was written in the town of Ohrid, in the village called Ravna, in the time of tsar Assen of Bulgaria.*

    The Bologna Psalter

    * The fact that the authors indicate the time of the compiling of the book with the reign of the Bulgarian tsar although they were subjects of Byzantium testifies to their patriotic feeling.

    1326 - The Byzantine historian Nicephorus Gregoras travelling to Strumitsa and Skopje, finds Bulgarians between Struma and Strumitsa.
    We were in foreign places and among people who did not know our language. Most of the old inhabitants here are of the Moesians*, that are our neighbours; their customs have mixed with the customs of the people of our tribe. But when later they greeted us in their own tongue good-naturedly and smiling, we cheered up and relaxed and we did not see anything wrong with them.

    Nic. Gregorae, Historia Byzantina, ed. Bonn., pp. 375-379

    *The Byzantine authors of the periob refer to the Bulgarians as "Moesians" after the name of a tribe that inhabited the Danube plain in antiquity.

    http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen2.htm#tema

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    Also Klement du selbst trägst denn Namen eines bulgarischen Bischhofs aus deiner Stadt Ochrid und du bist somit Bulgare , beziehungweise mazedonischer Bulgare!

    Was ist denn schon schlimm daran?

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    Zitat Zitat von Klement
    Warum lügst du?

    Bulgarische Faschisten ermordeten makedonische Kleriker,Geistliche und andere Intelektuelle.Und das nicht nur einmal, doch wem erzähl ich das? Du hast sowieso Null Ahnung von Makedonien...


    http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1121306459

    Sehen so Morde , Plünderungen aus????
















    Lebt wohl werdet glücklich miteinander!

    Wären die Titos Partisanen 1944 bei der Gründung der SFRJ im bosnisch-hercegovinischen Jajce nicht in Makedonien die Bulgaren vertreiben , wäret ihr heute noch Bulgaren!

    Denn nur Tito habt ihr die Republika Makedonija zu verdanken , sonst niemandem ..........

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    Bulgarischer Makedonier (=Bugarce alias "Makedonier")!

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