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  1. #151

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    Wieso unterscheiden sich meine zwei Sätze von einander, wenn es doch haargenau die gleiche Sprache ist?
    Von der Schrift her, aber von der Aussprache nicht....ich sehe da kein Unterschied

    Übrigens: billiger Versuch Guster

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    Ich hab dir eine Quellen und zwar den VATIKAN angeboten. Aber ich glaub eher dass du recht hast, anstatt der Vatikan. Griechen gabs natürlich auch nicht, alles ausgedacht.
    Nochmal, deine Quelle ist aus dem Jahr 1980, der von mir angedeutete Brief ist aus jener Zeit.


    Du solltest mal generell deine vorgehensweise überdenken, immerhin frage ich 3 Seiten lang nach Quellen aus jener Zeit.

    EDIT: Na wenigstens hast mit deinen peinlichen Unterstellungen aufgehört, iss ja schon mal ein Anfang!

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    1. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05: (Cyril and Methodius, Saints) 869 and 884, respectively, GREEK missionaries, brothers, called Apostles to the Slavs and fathers of Slavonic literature.
    2. Encyclopedia Britannica, a dictionary of arts, sciences, literature and general information:
    Saints Cyril and Methodius:
    The emperor chose two brothers, sons of a Thessalonian Greek, Methodius and Constantine (generally known as Cyril by the name he adopted upon becoming a monk) .[..] (Cyril who had)…been professor of philosophy at the patriarchal school in Constantinople, worked with Methodius, the abbot of a Greek monastery,…”
    3. The Slav Pope John Paul II who in 31/12/1980 (in an official encyclical-Egregiae Virtutis-to the Catholic Church) and 14/2/1981(in the S.Clement church in Rome) said that Cyrillos and Methodios
    were “Greek brothers, born in Thessaloniki
    4. the Serb historian V.Bogdanovich, says that “Kyrillos and Methodios were born in Thessaloniki and were Greeks in origin, not Slavs” (History of the ancient Serbian literature, Belgrade 1980, pg.119).
    5. The macedonian conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a transnational world by Loring Danforth
    “Then in the ninth century Cyril and Methodius, two Greek monks from Thessaloniki , developed the Cyrillic alphabet and spread both literacy and Christianity to the Slavs.
    6. Two Greek brothers from Salonika, Constantine, who later later became a monk and took the name Cyril, and Methodius came to Great Moravia in 863 at the invitation of the Moravian Prince Rostislav (“Comparative history of Slavic Literatures by Dmitrij Cizevskij, page vi)
    7. the Byzantine court entrusted it to two brothers with wide experience o missionary work: Constantine the Philosopher, better known by his monastic name, Cyril and Methodius. Cyril and Methodius were Greeks.(“Czechoslovakian Miniatures from Romanesque and Gothic Manuscriptsby Jan Kvet, p. 6)
    8. In answer to this appeal the emperor sent the two brothers Cyril and Methodius, who were Greeks of Salonika and had considerable knowledge of Slavonic languages. (The Balkans: A history of Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Rumania, Turkey (1916)by Forbes, Nevil, p. 21)
    9. two brothers, the Apostles of the Sclavonians or Slavs, born in Greece and educated in Constantinople. (“Book of the Saints 1921by Monks Benedictine, P. 74)
    10. Cyril, St 827-69 and Methodius, St 826-85, known as the Apostles of the Slavs – Greek Christian missionaries- They were born in Thessalonica. (“The Riverside Dictionary of Biographyby the American Heritage Dictionaries, p. 208)
    11. two greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius, were sent in response to this request. This development was of particular importance to the formation of eastern european culture. (“historical Theology” by McGrath, p.125)
    12. the byzantine emperor sent two greek monks, Cyril and Methodius, to spread Christianity to the slavic people.
    (“Global History & Geographyby Phillip Lefton, p. 130)
    13. As the Slav tribes feel under the influence of Byzantium a considerable number of them were baptised but they were first converted to Christianity in Mass by the Greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius (Black lamb and Grey Falcon: A journey through Yugoslave” by Rebecca West, P. 710)
    14. “Cyrillus autem et Methodius fratres, Graeci, Thessalonicae nati…”Vatican: the Holy See
    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo…rtutis_lt.html Pope John Paul II.
    15. Cyril and Methodius, Saints (muth..us) [key], d. 869 and 884, respectively, Greek missionaries, brothers (R. L. Wilkens book Judaism and the Early Christian Mind” (1971))x
    16. “Cyrillus autem et Methodius fratres, GRAECI, Thessalonicae nati, ea nempe in urbe, in qua beatus Paulus et degit et operatus est, ab usque suae vocationis initio arctas rationes institutionis spiritualis ingeniique culturae cum Patriarchali Ecclesia Constantinopolitana susceperunt”
    17. Institutes of Ecclesiastical History, Ancient and Modern: Medieval Period by Johann Lorenz Mosheim, James Murdock – 1841

    About the middle of this century, two Greek monks, Methodius and Cyril, being sent as missionaries from Constantinople, by the empress Theodora..
    18. Loyola Kids Book of Saints Amy Welborn, Ansgar Holmberg – 2001





    1. The other important thing Cyril and Methodius had in common was that both brothers knew another language beside their own. They were Greek, but they were also familiar with the Slavonic language.


    19. A history of the Christian church: middle age Charles Hardwick – 1861,

    1. In the same century St. Cyril and St. Methodius, Greeks by nation, sent by pope Adrian f I. converted the Sclavonians, Moravians and Bohemians


    20. A cyclopedia of missions: containing a comprehensive view of missionaryBy Harvey Newcomb


    1. The ninth century was likewise rendered remarkable by the attempts of Constantine, (or Cyril,) and Methodius, two Greek monks, to evangelize several Sclavonian tribes. They were the sons of Leo, a Greek nobleman..


    21. Towards the healing of schism: the Sees of Rome and Constantinople : publicBy E. J. Stormon


    1. Cyril and his brother Methodius were Greeks from Thessalonica,…


    22. A Catholic Dictionary Containing Some Account of the Doctrine, Discipline, William E. Addis, Thomas Arnold – 2004


    1. The Bulgarians, a Slav people, had been converted in the middle of the ninth century by the Greek teachers St. Cyril and St. Methodius.

    23. A Popular History of the Catholic Church Carl Koch – 1997

    1. Then the Byzantine emperor at Constantinople, with his influence over the Byzantine church, sent two Greek brothers to try missionary work among the Slavs in Moravia.


    24. How the Bible Grew Frank Grant Lewis – 2003
    It is attributed to two men who were brothers, Cyril and Methodius, sons of a Greek nobleman of Thessalonica
    25. Illustrations of biblical literature, James Townley – 1847

    1. in the course of the NINTH century many of them received the Gospel, through the pious and indefatigable labours of two Greek monks, Methodius and Cyril

    26. A Critical History of the Athanasian Creed, Daniel Waterland – 2008


    1. Cyril was a Greek, and came from Constantinople ; and Methodius was a Greek too, both sent by the Greek Emperor to convert the country, which therefore became instructed in the Greek rites and religion

    27. The Slavs: their early history and civilization, American Academy of Arts and Sciences, 1956

    1. The Moravian Empire and Its Greek Apostles SS. Constantine-Cyril and Methodius

    28. “Lonely Planet Croatia” by Jeanne Oliver, P.35
    In order to convert the Slavs to Christianity, Greek missionaries Cyril and Methodius learned the language.

    29. “Book of the Saints 1921″ by Monks Benedictine, P. 74
    two brothers, the Apostles of the Sclavonians or Slavs, born in Greece and educated in Constantinople
    30. “The Riverside Dictionary of Biographyby the American Heritage Dictionaries, p. 208
    Cyril, St 827-69 and Methodius, St 826-85, known as the Apostles of the Slavs – Greek Christian missionaries- They were born in Thessalonica.
    31. historical Theology” by McGrath, p.125

    two greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius, were sent in response to this request. This development was of particular importance to the formation of eastern european culture.
    32. “Global History and Geography” by Phillip Lefton, p. 130
    the byzantine emperor sent two greek monks, Cyril and Methodius, to spread Christianity to the slavic people.
    33. Black lamb and Grey Falcon: A journey through Yugoslave” by Rebecca West, P. 710


    As the Slav tribes feel under the influence of Byzantium a considerable number of them were baptised but they were first converted to Christianity in Mass by the Greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius
    34. R. L. Wilkens book Judaism and the Early Christian Mind(1971)

    Cyril and Methodius, Saints, d. 869 and 884, respectively, Greek missionaries, brothers, called Apostles to the Slavs and fathers of Slavonic literature.
    35. The Significance of the Missions of Cyril and Methodius, Francis Dvornik, Slavic Review > Vol. 23, No. 2 (Jun., 1964) page: 196
    Moravian Christianity even had species of ecclesiastical organization before the arrival of the Greek brothers
    page: 211

    This short sketch of the cultural development of the Slavic nations in the Middle Ages seems necessary to show the real significance of the mission of the two Greek brothers. Its aim in Moravia was, above all, cultural
    36. Slavic Translations of the Scriptures Matthew Spinka The Journal of Religion > Vol. 13, No. 4 (Oct., 1933), pp. 415

    When those ancient precursors of Bible translators, the Greek brothers Constantine and Methodius, translated certain parts of the Scriptures and the liturgical books into Slavic for the use of their Moravian converts
    415
    Thus in a sense the two Greek brothers and their disciples fought a fight in behalf of all the later Bible translators and liturgical vernacularists, the English among them.
    pp. 416-17
    In co-operation with Patriarch Photius they selected the renowned teacher of philosophy at the court school of Magnaura, Constantine, and his elder brother, Methodius, Greeks from Thessalonica, who were well acquainted with the language of the Macedonian Slavs, as best-fitted missionaries for the Moravian field.
    pp. 424

    The Slavic liturgy was, beyond any doubt, a radical innovation which the Greek brothers could not have justified except as an essential element in insuring the success of their work.










    37. Comparative history of Slavic Literatures by Dmitrij Cizevskij
    —————————————————————————————————————————————-
    38. A History of the Greek Language: From Its Origins to the Present By Francisco Rodríguez Adrados page 265
    ———————————————————————————————————————————————–
    39. East Central Europe in the Middle Ages, 1000-1500 By Jean W. Sedlar, page 144









    ——————————————————————————————————————————————
    41. Modern Linguistics By Simeon Potter, page 57








    ———————————————————————————————————————————————
    42. Yugoslavia: A History of Its Demise By Viktor Meier, page 182








    ———————————————————————————————————————————————–






    43. Languages and Their Status By Timothy Shopen, Center for Applied Linguistics




    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————
    44. Russian by Neville Forbes, page 10


    —————————————————————————————————————————————————— –





    45. The National question in Yugoslavian: Origins, history, politics by Ivo Branac.
    —————————————————————————————————————————————————— –
    46. A Handbook of Slavic Studies – Page 98 by Leonid Ivan Strakhovsky – 1949 –
    An appeal to the Roman Emperor Michael at Byzantium in 863 brought two Greek brothers, Constantine and Methodius from Salonika.
    47. The New Oxford Companion to Music – Page 1076 by Denis Arnold -1983
    Two Greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius, were sent. They prepared an alphabet for the hitherto unwritten Slav language; the script was called Glagolitic
    48. How the Bible Came to Us: Its Texts and Versions – Page 68 by Hugh Gerard Gibson Herklots – 1959
    the ninth century of two Greek brothers from Salonika: Constantine — who took the name of Cyril shortly before his death at Rome in 869 — and Methodius
    49. Back to the Bible: A Literary Pilgrimage – Page 70 by Hugh Gerard Gibson Herklots – 1954
    It was the result of the great missionary work in the Ninth Century of two Greek brothers from Salonika, Constantine —who took the name of Cyril shortly
    50. East Europe – Page 17 by Free Europe Committee, Free Europe – 1957
    Turkey (RNS)—The relics of Saints Cyril and Methodius, Greek brothers venerated as “apostles of the southern Slavs” in the sixth century.
    51. The Two Faces of Greece: A Civilisation of 7.000 Years – Page 91 by Irene Economides – 1989
    of the most famous Orthodox missions was that of the two Greek brothers from Salonica: St. Methodius and St. Cyril, who were monks of high education
    52. Merit Students Encyclopedia by William Darrach Halsey – 1980
    St. Cyril and his brother, St. Methodius, are called the “Apostles to the Slavs.” They were Greek missionaries among the Moravians and other Slavic tribes
    53. The European Inheritance – Page 304 by Ernest Barker – 1954
    The brothers Cyril and Methodius … It was thus two Greeks, born in Salonica, who evangelized and ‘alphabetized’ the mass of the Slavs (apart from the Poles, the Czechs,
    54. Reflections on Our Age – Page 169 by Unesco General Conference – 1949
    Two other Greeks from Salonika, Cyril and Methodius..
    55. Russian Authors – Page 28 by Elsa Z. Posell – 1970
    The Russian alphabet which is similar to Greek was invented by two Greek monks from Salonika, St’ Cyril and St’ Methodius.
    56. The Encyclopedia Americana Page 25 by Grolier Incorporated -1998
    by the 9th century Greek missionaries St. Cyril and St. Methodius and their disciples
    57. The Oxford Encyclopedia of Archaeology in the Near East – Page 151 by Eric M. Meyers – 1997
    which the Greek brothers Cyril and Methodius employed
    58. by Encyclopaedia Britannica, Incorporated, Warren E. Preece – Reference – 1972 Page 846
    Invited in 863 by its prince, Rostislav, Cyril (Constantine) and Methodius, Greek monks from Salonika, came to preach the gospel there
    59. by Eastern Canada Centre of Slavists and East European Specialists, Association canadienne des slavistes – 1976 – page 73
    As a matter of fact, Constantine and Methodius were not Slavs, but two sons of a Greek official..
    60. Journal of Central European AffairsPage 308, 1941
    Two Greek priests from Salonika, the brothers Cyril and Methodius, who knew Slavonic, were called from Byzantium.
    61. The Encyclopedia Americana, published 1970
    Moravia received Christian instruction from Cyril and Methodius, Greeks from Salonika, who for their translations created
    62. Tito, the rise and the fall of Yugoslavia by Richard West



    63. A Handbook of Slavic Studies – Page 98 by Leonid Ivan Strakhovsky – 1949 –
    ———————————————————————–
    64. Encyclopedia of World CulturesPage 239 by David H. Levinson – Social Science – 1991
    During the ninth century, two Greek brothers from Thessaloniki (Salonika), Cyril and Methodius, were instrumental in the conversion of the Slavs

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    1. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05: (Cyril and Methodius, Saints) 869 and 884, respectively, GREEK missionaries, brothers, called Apostles to the Slavs and fathers of Slavonic literature.
    2. Encyclopedia Britannica, a dictionary of arts, sciences, literature and general information:
    Saints Cyril and Methodius:
    The emperor chose two brothers, sons of a Thessalonian Greek, Methodius and Constantine (generally known as Cyril by the name he adopted upon becoming a monk) .[..] (Cyril who had)…been professor of philosophy at the patriarchal school in Constantinople, worked with Methodius, the abbot of a Greek monastery,…”
    3. The Slav Pope John Paul II who in 31/12/1980 (in an official encyclical-Egregiae Virtutis-to the Catholic Church) and 14/2/1981(in the S.Clement church in Rome) said that Cyrillos and Methodios
    were “Greek brothers, born in Thessaloniki
    4. the Serb historian V.Bogdanovich, says that “Kyrillos and Methodios were born in Thessaloniki and were Greeks in origin, not Slavs” (History of the ancient Serbian literature, Belgrade 1980, pg.119).
    5. The macedonian conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a transnational world by Loring Danforth
    “Then in the ninth century Cyril and Methodius, two Greek monks from Thessaloniki , developed the Cyrillic alphabet and spread both literacy and Christianity to the Slavs.
    6. Two Greek brothers from Salonika, Constantine, who later later became a monk and took the name Cyril, and Methodius came to Great Moravia in 863 at the invitation of the Moravian Prince Rostislav (“Comparative history of Slavic Literatures by Dmitrij Cizevskij, page vi)
    7. the Byzantine court entrusted it to two brothers with wide experience o missionary work: Constantine the Philosopher, better known by his monastic name, Cyril and Methodius. Cyril and Methodius were Greeks.(“Czechoslovakian Miniatures from Romanesque and Gothic Manuscriptsby Jan Kvet, p. 6)
    8. In answer to this appeal the emperor sent the two brothers Cyril and Methodius, who were Greeks of Salonika and had considerable knowledge of Slavonic languages. (The Balkans: A history of Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Rumania, Turkey (1916)by Forbes, Nevil, p. 21)
    9. two brothers, the Apostles of the Sclavonians or Slavs, born in Greece and educated in Constantinople. (“Book of the Saints 1921by Monks Benedictine, P. 74)
    10. Cyril, St 827-69 and Methodius, St 826-85, known as the Apostles of the Slavs – Greek Christian missionaries- They were born in Thessalonica. (“The Riverside Dictionary of Biographyby the American Heritage Dictionaries, p. 208)
    11. two greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius, were sent in response to this request. This development was of particular importance to the formation of eastern european culture. (“historical Theology” by McGrath, p.125)
    12. the byzantine emperor sent two greek monks, Cyril and Methodius, to spread Christianity to the slavic people.
    (“Global History & Geographyby Phillip Lefton, p. 130)
    13. As the Slav tribes feel under the influence of Byzantium a considerable number of them were baptised but they were first converted to Christianity in Mass by the Greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius (Black lamb and Grey Falcon: A journey through Yugoslave” by Rebecca West, P. 710)
    14. “Cyrillus autem et Methodius fratres, Graeci, Thessalonicae nati…”Vatican: the Holy See
    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo…rtutis_lt.html Pope John Paul II.
    15. Cyril and Methodius, Saints (muth..us) [key], d. 869 and 884, respectively, Greek missionaries, brothers (R. L. Wilkens book Judaism and the Early Christian Mind” (1971))x
    16. “Cyrillus autem et Methodius fratres, GRAECI, Thessalonicae nati, ea nempe in urbe, in qua beatus Paulus et degit et operatus est, ab usque suae vocationis initio arctas rationes institutionis spiritualis ingeniique culturae cum Patriarchali Ecclesia Constantinopolitana susceperunt”
    17. Institutes of Ecclesiastical History, Ancient and Modern: Medieval Period by Johann Lorenz Mosheim, James Murdock – 1841

    About the middle of this century, two Greek monks, Methodius and Cyril, being sent as missionaries from Constantinople, by the empress Theodora..
    18. Loyola Kids Book of Saints Amy Welborn, Ansgar Holmberg – 2001





    1. The other important thing Cyril and Methodius had in common was that both brothers knew another language beside their own. They were Greek, but they were also familiar with the Slavonic language.


    19. A history of the Christian church: middle age Charles Hardwick – 1861,

    1. In the same century St. Cyril and St. Methodius, Greeks by nation, sent by pope Adrian f I. converted the Sclavonians, Moravians and Bohemians


    20. A cyclopedia of missions: containing a comprehensive view of missionaryBy Harvey Newcomb


    1. The ninth century was likewise rendered remarkable by the attempts of Constantine, (or Cyril,) and Methodius, two Greek monks, to evangelize several Sclavonian tribes. They were the sons of Leo, a Greek nobleman..


    21. Towards the healing of schism: the Sees of Rome and Constantinople : publicBy E. J. Stormon


    1. Cyril and his brother Methodius were Greeks from Thessalonica,…


    22. A Catholic Dictionary Containing Some Account of the Doctrine, Discipline, William E. Addis, Thomas Arnold – 2004


    1. The Bulgarians, a Slav people, had been converted in the middle of the ninth century by the Greek teachers St. Cyril and St. Methodius.

    23. A Popular History of the Catholic Church Carl Koch – 1997

    1. Then the Byzantine emperor at Constantinople, with his influence over the Byzantine church, sent two Greek brothers to try missionary work among the Slavs in Moravia.


    24. How the Bible Grew Frank Grant Lewis – 2003
    It is attributed to two men who were brothers, Cyril and Methodius, sons of a Greek nobleman of Thessalonica
    25. Illustrations of biblical literature, James Townley – 1847

    1. in the course of the NINTH century many of them received the Gospel, through the pious and indefatigable labours of two Greek monks, Methodius and Cyril

    26. A Critical History of the Athanasian Creed, Daniel Waterland – 2008


    1. Cyril was a Greek, and came from Constantinople ; and Methodius was a Greek too, both sent by the Greek Emperor to convert the country, which therefore became instructed in the Greek rites and religion

    27. The Slavs: their early history and civilization, American Academy of Arts and Sciences, 1956

    1. The Moravian Empire and Its Greek Apostles SS. Constantine-Cyril and Methodius

    28. “Lonely Planet Croatia” by Jeanne Oliver, P.35
    In order to convert the Slavs to Christianity, Greek missionaries Cyril and Methodius learned the language.

    29. “Book of the Saints 1921″ by Monks Benedictine, P. 74
    two brothers, the Apostles of the Sclavonians or Slavs, born in Greece and educated in Constantinople
    30. “The Riverside Dictionary of Biographyby the American Heritage Dictionaries, p. 208
    Cyril, St 827-69 and Methodius, St 826-85, known as the Apostles of the Slavs – Greek Christian missionaries- They were born in Thessalonica.
    31. historical Theology” by McGrath, p.125

    two greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius, were sent in response to this request. This development was of particular importance to the formation of eastern european culture.
    32. “Global History and Geography” by Phillip Lefton, p. 130
    the byzantine emperor sent two greek monks, Cyril and Methodius, to spread Christianity to the slavic people.
    33. Black lamb and Grey Falcon: A journey through Yugoslave” by Rebecca West, P. 710


    As the Slav tribes feel under the influence of Byzantium a considerable number of them were baptised but they were first converted to Christianity in Mass by the Greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius
    34. R. L. Wilkens book Judaism and the Early Christian Mind(1971)

    Cyril and Methodius, Saints, d. 869 and 884, respectively, Greek missionaries, brothers, called Apostles to the Slavs and fathers of Slavonic literature.
    35. The Significance of the Missions of Cyril and Methodius, Francis Dvornik, Slavic Review > Vol. 23, No. 2 (Jun., 1964) page: 196
    Moravian Christianity even had species of ecclesiastical organization before the arrival of the Greek brothers
    page: 211

    This short sketch of the cultural development of the Slavic nations in the Middle Ages seems necessary to show the real significance of the mission of the two Greek brothers. Its aim in Moravia was, above all, cultural
    36. Slavic Translations of the Scriptures Matthew Spinka The Journal of Religion > Vol. 13, No. 4 (Oct., 1933), pp. 415

    When those ancient precursors of Bible translators, the Greek brothers Constantine and Methodius, translated certain parts of the Scriptures and the liturgical books into Slavic for the use of their Moravian converts
    415
    Thus in a sense the two Greek brothers and their disciples fought a fight in behalf of all the later Bible translators and liturgical vernacularists, the English among them.
    pp. 416-17
    In co-operation with Patriarch Photius they selected the renowned teacher of philosophy at the court school of Magnaura, Constantine, and his elder brother, Methodius, Greeks from Thessalonica, who were well acquainted with the language of the Macedonian Slavs, as best-fitted missionaries for the Moravian field.
    pp. 424

    The Slavic liturgy was, beyond any doubt, a radical innovation which the Greek brothers could not have justified except as an essential element in insuring the success of their work.










    37. Comparative history of Slavic Literatures by Dmitrij Cizevskij
    —————————————————————————————————————————————-
    38. A History of the Greek Language: From Its Origins to the Present By Francisco Rodríguez Adrados page 265
    ————————————————————————————————————————————— ——–
    39. East Central Europe in the Middle Ages, 1000-1500 By Jean W. Sedlar, page 144









    ————————————————————————————————————————————— —
    41. Modern Linguistics By Simeon Potter, page 57








    ————————————————————————————————————————————— ——
    42. Yugoslavia: A History of Its Demise By Viktor Meier, page 182








    ————————————————————————————————————————————— ——–






    43. Languages and Their Status By Timothy Shopen, Center for Applied Linguistics




    ————————————————————————————————————————————— —————
    44. Russian by Neville Forbes, page 10


    —————————————————————————————————————————————————— –





    45. The National question in Yugoslavian: Origins, history, politics by Ivo Branac.
    —————————————————————————————————————————————————— –
    46. A Handbook of Slavic Studies – Page 98 by Leonid Ivan Strakhovsky – 1949 –
    An appeal to the Roman Emperor Michael at Byzantium in 863 brought two Greek brothers, Constantine and Methodius from Salonika.
    47. The New Oxford Companion to Music – Page 1076 by Denis Arnold -1983
    Two Greek brothers, Cyril and Methodius, were sent. They prepared an alphabet for the hitherto unwritten Slav language; the script was called Glagolitic
    48. How the Bible Came to Us: Its Texts and Versions – Page 68 by Hugh Gerard Gibson Herklots – 1959
    the ninth century of two Greek brothers from Salonika: Constantine — who took the name of Cyril shortly before his death at Rome in 869 — and Methodius
    49. Back to the Bible: A Literary Pilgrimage – Page 70 by Hugh Gerard Gibson Herklots – 1954
    It was the result of the great missionary work in the Ninth Century of two Greek brothers from Salonika, Constantine —who took the name of Cyril shortly
    50. East Europe – Page 17 by Free Europe Committee, Free Europe – 1957
    Turkey (RNS)—The relics of Saints Cyril and Methodius, Greek brothers venerated as “apostles of the southern Slavs” in the sixth century.
    51. The Two Faces of Greece: A Civilisation of 7.000 Years – Page 91 by Irene Economides – 1989
    of the most famous Orthodox missions was that of the two Greek brothers from Salonica: St. Methodius and St. Cyril, who were monks of high education
    52. Merit Students Encyclopedia by William Darrach Halsey – 1980
    St. Cyril and his brother, St. Methodius, are called the “Apostles to the Slavs.” They were Greek missionaries among the Moravians and other Slavic tribes
    53. The European Inheritance – Page 304 by Ernest Barker – 1954
    The brothers Cyril and Methodius … It was thus two Greeks, born in Salonica, who evangelized and ‘alphabetized’ the mass of the Slavs (apart from the Poles, the Czechs,
    54. Reflections on Our Age – Page 169 by Unesco General Conference – 1949
    Two other Greeks from Salonika, Cyril and Methodius..
    55. Russian Authors – Page 28 by Elsa Z. Posell – 1970
    The Russian alphabet which is similar to Greek was invented by two Greek monks from Salonika, St’ Cyril and St’ Methodius.
    56. The Encyclopedia Americana Page 25 by Grolier Incorporated -1998
    by the 9th century Greek missionaries St. Cyril and St. Methodius and their disciples
    57. The Oxford Encyclopedia of Archaeology in the Near East – Page 151 by Eric M. Meyers – 1997
    which the Greek brothers Cyril and Methodius employed
    58. by Encyclopaedia Britannica, Incorporated, Warren E. Preece – Reference – 1972 Page 846
    Invited in 863 by its prince, Rostislav, Cyril (Constantine) and Methodius, Greek monks from Salonika, came to preach the gospel there
    59. by Eastern Canada Centre of Slavists and East European Specialists, Association canadienne des slavistes – 1976 – page 73
    As a matter of fact, Constantine and Methodius were not Slavs, but two sons of a Greek official..
    60. Journal of Central European AffairsPage 308, 1941
    Two Greek priests from Salonika, the brothers Cyril and Methodius, who knew Slavonic, were called from Byzantium.
    61. The Encyclopedia Americana, published 1970
    Moravia received Christian instruction from Cyril and Methodius, Greeks from Salonika, who for their translations created
    62. Tito, the rise and the fall of Yugoslavia by Richard West



    63. A Handbook of Slavic Studies – Page 98 by Leonid Ivan Strakhovsky – 1949 –
    ———————————————————————–
    64. Encyclopedia of World CulturesPage 239 by David H. Levinson – Social Science – 1991
    During the ninth century, two Greek brothers from Thessaloniki (Salonika), Cyril and Methodius, were instrumental in the conversion of the Slavs


    Super, und wo sind da die Quellen aus der Zeit der Apostel???

    EDIT: Tja, deine Quelle...

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    Zitat Zitat von NickTheGreat Beitrag anzeigen
    Von der Schrift her, aber von der Aussprache nicht....ich sehe da kein Unterschied

    Übrigens: billiger Versuch Guster


    Danke für den Lacher!

    Slawische sprachen werden so geschrieben wie sie ausgesprochen werden.

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    Zitat Zitat von Monkeydonian Beitrag anzeigen
    Das dachte ich mir schon das du keine Quellen hast, ganz einfach da es keine solche Quellen gibt...

    Wie ich schon sagte, es gab weder ein Griechenland noch griechen zu jener Zeit.
    Wen es so wäre, würden auch Quellen aus dieser Zeit existieren die das bestätigen.

    So wie zB. ein Brief, von einem König, der überliefert ist und in einem Museum aufbewahrt wird, in dem geschrieben wurde: "...und alle Thessalonier sprechen rein slawisch". (Anmerkung: ich hab das jetzt nicht wortwörtlich übernommen, nicht das du mir dann was nachsagen willst)

    Wessen Brief das ist, kannst du ja auch selber suchen...

    Viel Spass dabei
    Soso es gab keine Griechen zu jener zeit? Na dan schauen wir mal was der Byzantinische Kaiser Theodor II. Laskaris aus dem Jahre 1250 in einem Brief an Westliche Kirchenleute so schrieb:
















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  7. #157
    chimpovic
    zivjela Republika Makedonija !

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    The Empire stood there for over a millennium and survived after various attacks, wars, ravages, plunders, etc etc. and formed especially after 7-8th century a state that had a clear Greek majority, of course Greek speaking and with Greek culture and the "Greek dogma" of Orthodoxy.
    The loses of the middleastern lands(Egypt, Syria, etc) the northern and center Balkans and thei christianization of the barbarians "nationalized" the Empire was the reason of that evolution. That fact made the most important Patriarch that Byzantion even had, Photios to write to a man named Theodoros Santavarinos while speaking about ancient Greeks and their philosophy :
    "kai osper estin autois(ancient Greeks) physis koine pros emas(the contemporal homogeneis of Photios) kai nous kai logos kai psychis pros soma sygkrasis omoiotropos kai myria alla,..."
    that is:
    " and it is the same race of them(ancient Greeks) with us, and(common) mind and speech and soul and mentality common and thousands of other"
    Photious Epistolai,publ..Β.Laourdas-L.G.Westerink,Photius,Epistolae et Amphilochia,ν.Ι,Lispia(Teubner),1983,no..65.28-30.

    The same sense of their national identity is also nicely expressed by Emperor of Nicaea John III Doukas Vatatzes (c. 1192, Didymoteicho – November 3, 1254, Nymphaeum). I quote down my translation of a Vatatzes’ letter-response to Pope Gregorius the 9th who has previously asked the first to stop claiming Constantinoupolis back from the Franks:
    The letter starts:
    “Ioannis in the name of Christos the God faithfull king and emperor of the Romans the Dukas to the holy pope of old Rome Gregorius” –“Ioannis en Christo to Theo pistos vasileus kai autokrator Romaion o Dhoukas to agiotato papa tis presviteras Romis Grigorio
    and he continues:
    “I,as king, consider incongruous what you’ve written me and I didn’t want to believe that it was your letter, but a result of the despair of someone who is near you, and has his soul full of badness and audacity. Your holiness is graced with wisdom and differs in proper judgment from many others. That’s why I found it very difficult to believe that it was your letter even if it was sent to me.



    So you write in your letter that in our race(genos) of the Greeks(ton Hellenon) wisdoms reignsthat from our race(genos) wisdom flourished and its benefits were spread and to the other people, that’s true . But how it happens to ignore, or if you don’t ignore ,how did you suppress it, that along with the royal(vasilevousa) Konstantinoupolis and the kingship in this world was given to our race from Konstantinos the Great, who accepted the call from Christos and ruled with decency and honesty. Is there anyone who doesn’t know that his succession(Konstantinos’) passed to our race(genos) and we are his heirs and inheritors?
    You demand from us not to ignore your privileges. And we, too , have the similar request from you to see and recognize our right to rule the state of Constantinoupolis, that started from the age of Constantinos the Great and lasted one thousand years until it reached our reign. The patriarchs(genarches) of my kingship, from the families of Doukas and Komnenos, not to mention the others, come from the Greek race(apo hellenika geni). So these fellow countrymen for many centuries had Constantinoupolis in their authority. And them the Church of Rome and their principals called Emperors of the Romans(Autokratores Romaion). So we declare to your holiness and to all Christians that never shall we stop fighting and struggle against the conquerors of Constantinoupolis. It was like we disrespect the laws of nature, and the institutions of our fatherland, and the graves of our fathers and the holy temples of God, if we didn’t fight with all our power. We have with us the righteous God, who helps those who are wronged and oppose to the wrongful…”

    It was firstly published in Vakalopoulos’ book,Piges tou Neou Hellenismou,v.A,p.50-53,Thessaloniki 1965.(Sources of Modern Hellenism).


    It was noted above that a reason of the fall of the Empire was the hiring of barbarians in the army and thats true, Psellos in his Chronographia(maybe one of the 4-5 greatest personalities that Byzantion gave birth) had noticed that many barbarians were preferred for the state's offices instead of Greeks and had warned...:
    “…tina strategon tes eautou prostisas taxeos, andra to men genos ouh Hellena, to de ethos tou kallistou genous, heroikon de to eidos”
    "...to act as general at the head of their column, a man who was not a Greek by birth, but a person of the noblest character and a man of heroic stature"....

    or again:
    "archousin hemon ous ek ton varvaron eonisametha, kai tas megalas pisteuontai dunameis ou Perikleis, oude Themistokleis, all'oi atimotatoi Spartakoi"
    that is...:
    "frequently we have archonts who we bought from the barbarians, and we do not entrust the high offices to Pericleis(in plural), neither to Themistocleis(plural) but in scabious Spartakous(plural)....


    The other people that lived inside the empire and were orthodox were not considered part of the Genos ton Romaion/Graikon which had criteria such as Greekness by birth(with exceptions), Greek orthodoxy, Greek language, and devotion to the Empire, even if it doesn't exist(such as the Greek subjects of the Frankish states in Greece, Cyprus etc).
    For example Albanians who were in majority orthodox, and citizens of the Empire were considered barbarians and as Attaleiatis(Bonn, 297, 21) put it " the once allies and of our "equality before the law" members, also of the same religion members Albanians and Latins, those who to Western Rome to the Italian side they approached, enemies irrational been...".
    One other important example isMichael Italikos, who was orthodox, spoke Greek, was an expert in the ancient Greek literature, faithful and citizen of the Empire but was still a "barbaros" for Anna Komnene, simply because he wasn't "Greek by birth"("Hellen to genos", as Psellos writes or "barbaros ek physeos" as Anna writes, meaning barbarian by nature...).

    Ethnicity played important role, especially after 8-9th century when the Empire was hellenized due to the Greek majority. One other example is the praise in Nikephoros Chrysovergis speech for the Empress Euphrosyne wife of Emperor Alexios III Angelos(12th cent.)...where he writes praising her that she was "Hellene from Hellenes without a drop of Latin blood"...!

    And some more examples, to understand the "byzantine" identity:

    Let me give you some examples....:

    -Nicetas Choniatis,12th century...,( Niketas Choniates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Niketas_Choniates
    ) one of the most reknown and important byzantine historians...writing about the wars between Byzantium and Latins says :
    "pos an eien ego to veltiston chrima, tin istorian, kai kalliston eurema ton Hellenon varvarikas kath'Hellenin praxeis charizamenos".... english....
    "how can I, use the best and most beautiful invention of Hellenes(he means the ancient ones), the history, use it to describe acts by barbarians(Latins) against Hellenes(you know who he means...)...?"

    -Emperor Theodoros Laskaris, in 13th century... in a letter of him to an Italian says, feeling proud of his contemporal homogeneis Greek tradition:
    "Pasa toinun philosophia kai gnosis Hellenon eurema...Su de, o Itale, tinos eneken egkauha"...in english...
    "Every philosophy and knowledge is Hellenes invention...You, o Italian, for what are you proud of?"
    (he reminds me Gus Portokalos in My Big Greek Fat Wedding... )
    (Christ.Theology, 7,7 & 8, pag. 141-142)

    -The "primeminister" of the Empire, in 14th century, Theodoros Metochites( Theodore Metochites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Theodore_Metochites
    ) says that his Genos:
    "Tou genous kai tis glottis esmen tois Hellesi koinonoi kai diadohoi"...in english...
    "Of the race and language we are common and inheritors of the Hellenes(the ancient ones)"...


    -For emperor Ioannes the 6th Kantakouzenos, 14th cent., in his History, in the army of the "Romaioi" there are two "groups"..."Hellenes kai barbaroi"........

    -From the greatest philosopher of Byzantium, in early 15th century...Georgios Gemistos-Plethon we read in his letter to the Emperor Manouel II Palaiologos that :
    "Esmen gar oun on egeisthe te kai vasileuete Hellenes to genos, os h te foni kai i patrios paideia martyrei"
    "We are, those to whom you are leading and rule, Greeks in race, as our language and our paternal culture/education shows"



    And about Nicklord question if the Empire could have survived if it followed the feudal system, i should say firstly that the culture of the area wouldn't accept that kind of society, and that if the Frankish principates and kingdoms were able to defend themselves they wouldn't have lost Polis without a fight...neither would they have lost Achaia by a weak Despotate(Mystra's)...

  9. #159
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    Zitat Zitat von Monkeydonian Beitrag anzeigen
    Super, und wo sind da die Quellen aus der Zeit der Apostel???

    EDIT: Tja, deine Quelle...

    tja und ?das sind quellen von internationalen akademikern,linguisten etc

    glaubs doer glaubs net es waren griechen

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    Soso es gab keine Griechen zu jener zeit? Na dan schauen wir mal was der Byzantinische Kaiser Theodor II. Laskaris aus dem Jahre 1250 in einem Brief an Westliche Kirchenleute so schrieb:
















    beim lügen erwischt




    Die Apostel lebten ein Paar Jahre davor, hab ich dich beim "nichts wissen" erwischt

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