Jagd auf Ratko Mladic
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Jagd auf Ratko Mladic
Ganz aktuell Mladic wurde gefass hier stehts, lief auch schon auf N24
Re: Mladic gefasst
Jel' iznad ili ispod Jajca?
Zitat von Balija
ma kakvi bre, dok god ima srba i pare u njihovom nosu nece biti uhvacen mladic, djeneral i junak celog sveta ... vredi za njega ginut, vredi jesti opanke, vredi se svega odreci ... zar nije tako ... :wink:
Sammelthread Jagd auf Ratko Mladic
Das ist ein hoch interessanter link, dessen Infos teilweise schon in der Presse waren, als 2 Soldaten einen unterirdischen Eingang in die geheimen Bunker Anlagen bewachten und dabei erschossen wurden
Diese unterirdischen Anlagen, sind bestens ausgestattet von den Serbischen Miiltärs und dort sollen sich Kriegs Verbrecher aufhalten..
"Labyrinth City Under Dedinje"
Saturday, November 13, 2004
(FBIS Translated Text)
The two guard soldiers -- Dragan Jakovljevic and Drazen Milovanovic -- and their tragic deaths, which caused a big stir in the public (and also among the political and particularly the military leaders of Serbia-Montenegro) has once again put in the spotlight the story about the big (underground) shelter at Topcider (Belgrade district) that the unfortunate youths had been guarding. This story has been told many times but it has never been completed.
The truth be told, this is not the first time that the media has talked about this facility. All sorts of stories, even some that were almost incredible, were told about it. The first -- very brief -- information about the facility was presented to the public after Josip Broz Tito's death on 4 May 1980. At the time there were those who claimed that the House of Flowers, in which Tito was buried, was linked by an underground canal to a special military shelter. It was claimed that the shelter was located in the immediate vicinity of the residence that accommodated "the son of all Yugoslav mothers." An entire theory was developed. According to this theory, in the event of a devastating military attack on Dedinje (another Belgrade district) and the surrounding areas (at the time it was still believed that Yugoslavia could get involved in a nuclear war), Tito's body would have been moved "by a single touch of a button" from its tomb to the shelter and thus preserved.
As we moved in time away from the date of Tito's death, this almost absurd story was rarely repeated. It was replaced however with a science fiction-style link between this shelter and not only Tito's residence, but the villas of other most important officials of former Yugoslavia.
This newspaper has obtained from several reliable sources, who wished to remain anonymous, an exclusive story about the famous shelter and warehouse. This is the first time in many decades that the truth about this story is presented.
"Such a facility does indeed exist. No one has ever wanted to talk about it since it is a state secret." This is how our informants, who insisted on anonymity, began their story. "If we exclude the people who worked directly on its maintenance, an extremely small number of people have had the opportunity to see this facility and become acquainted with it directly. Written records were strictly and precisely kept for each of these persons. What is quite interesting however is that a far greater number of people stood in front of the entrance to this facility, watched museum and other exhibits, and enjoyed a good meal and drink, completely unaware that only a couple of meters away from them, perhaps even at the place from which they were served food, was an elevator that could take them deep into the Earth's womb."
Thus, the entrance is located in Dedinje, not Topcider. This is the true location of this facility. The Topcider location is just the exit, which has also been skillfully masked. The exit houses an ordinary military equipment warehouse; the army has thousands of such warehouses.
No one knows what is hidden behind the walls of this military warehouse.
Journey to Center of Earth
This is just an above-ground section that masks the entrance and is open to the public. You can get to six underground floors via an elevator. The lowest level is several tens of meters below the ground.
It is quite vast and houses offices, rooms, and bedrooms. The offices are equipped in the same fashion as any ordinary above-ground office. Since the entire facility was supposed to accommodate members of the Supreme Command and the ancillary services, which were staffed by a large number of people, for several months, we can only speculate on the exact number of rooms and offices.
Sketch of underground bunker
This area leads to a floor housing the communication centers and rooms used for storing equipment, food, heating oil, and water.
From this point you can get to a fascinatingly huge hall, which is the same size as the world's biggest subway stations. This is actually a seemingly endless tunnel in which a human being appears to be tiny. The whole area is lit perfectly. It is wide enough for trucks to drive through. As you move down this tunnel, you from time to time encounter extensions. They contain tracks for ventilation and other tubes. There are dozens and dozens of smaller roads leading to unknown destinations. Physically, it is impossible to tour everything, particularly because everything is operated at the touch of a button. And the door opens....
The facility has completely independent sources of power, water, and heating. The floors above the tunnel (that do not run in parallel with the entire length of the shelter), which are closer to the ground level, serve as a "safety zone" of sorts. They house additional ventilation equipment and air filters, water tanks, and anything else necessary in case of a nuclear attack.
Built in Stages
In order to avoid any possibility of someone revealing the actual location of the premises and the tunnel, as the shelter was a big secret, the structure was built in stages. The construction involved cleared construction companies and the army. No one, however, knew what they were building. Workers and contractors were often moved from one location to another, and were sometimes asked to do only a small part of the job they had been assigned. New teams arrived, and they would also come from some other location. After so many transfers no-one could even imagine what they were engaged in.
At one point, the army's top echelon, which kept a detailed record of everything, fit all of the pieces of the puzzle together: they finally built a true city underground.
The shelter is the deepest somewhere at its beginning. When you go underground, it is actually tremendously difficult to find your way through all of the rooms, hallways, and floors at the shelter itself, not to mention pinpointing what your location would be above the ground.
Time will certainly reveal and demystify the exact and precise coordinates of the tunnel. Most of the tunnel does run in a straight line, but there are some irregularities. For example, its deepest point is at the location where the living quarters and office premises are supposed to be. When you go up to the "subway tunnel" and keep walking up, after a long while you will actually get from the third underground floor directly to the ground, that is, the entrance.
This is understandable, as the already expensive construction process would have cost even more had there been an equal number of floors along the width and the length of the shelter. There was no need for this, either, because it was envisaged that the supreme commander and his colleagues would never go beyond "level 6" in case of an attack.
What also contributed to this was the geography of the underground terrain, which is why no one can precisely say where the three floors by the exit are "lost." As you move along the tunnel, you do not get the impression that it is going downhill or uphill.
There were also stories that the construction began in the middle of 1980s. Our informants claim that this is not true. Unfortunately, no one can say with certainty when construction officially began. It can be said with a high degree of certainty, however, that the entire underground complex was built between 1960 and 1970. The scope and the specific nature of the entire project, as well as the phased construction, required a somewhat longer period of time for construction.
We could possibly get more precise information if we were able to obtain the visitors log. You had to have dozens of military seals of approval to be able to get a permit just to go down to the shelter. Seals were obtained at several military locations. Only with such documentation would someone get an opportunity to visit the premises. Depending on the military rank of the visitor, certain levels were off-limits.
A wide range of specific professions had to be involved to maintain so much machinery. All elements of the machinery had to be in operation at all times. For example, a communications engineer would only go as far as the sixth floor, where the communications center was located. He had no idea that there were more floors, not to mention knowing what was on them. Likewise, personnel in charge of maintaining the air filters were able to enter only the first three underground levels.
Although our informants only mention the entrance and the exit (but do not exclude the very likely possibility of other secret doors in this underground maze) and their locations, there certainly must be a myriad of other doors that were used by maintenance personnel. They simply were unaware of others.
Such a pattern has remained in effect to date and the members of the guard brigade also probably do not know what lies underneath. Our informants assume that neither Mrksic nor Colic, as the commanders of the brigade, knew this, not to mention ordinary soldiers.
This facility would have been used as the main command point of the then JNA (Yugoslav National Army) and the Territorial Defense, as well as of the supreme commander, Josip Broz Tito.
Given the depth of the facility and the thick layers of concrete it would be able to resist direct attacks of the most powerful nuclear missiles. None of the lives of the people we have mentioned would have been endangered.
The shelter was earmarked for Tito and was located in the immediate vicinity of his residence in Tolstojeva Street, but he never came by to visit it.
According to certain claims, Slobodan Milosevic was not aware of the details of this secret, either, although the shelter was practically under his nose. We may conclude from this that he, the same as Tito, never came to visit it.
There are also those who believe such a facility is actually a symbol of how far human folly can go.
If we were to accept this reasoning, then the state could open this shelter for the public. Perhaps it will create a veritable tourist attraction. A Skadarlija underneath Dedinje.
(Box, p 25) Used Only Once
It was written, but hidden from the public, that the shelter was used only once. This happened in mid-March 1991, when the famous session of the former SFRJ's (Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) Presidency was held. The meeting was chaired by Borisav Jovic. But not even the Presidency members entered the premises, as the session was held in the so-called above-ground section of the shelter.
This was the first and the only session of the then Supreme Command that was held in the shelter. Its participants -- Stjepan Mesic, Janez Drnovsek, Vasil Tupurkovski, Bogic Bogicevic, Branko Kostic, and others -- did not actually know exactly where they were.
Part of the public that watched the documentary footage of this historic session remembers that all the jackets of the leaders present were buttoned up and that they were wearing special extra-thick military jackets.
They were cold because the venue for the session had been changed at the last minute. There simply was not enough time to properly heat the above-ground section, even with the strongest electrical heaters.
(Description of Source: Belgrade Vecernje Novosti in Serbian -- high-circulation tabloid)
"Dnevni avaz": Mladic se skriva u Pancevu
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BIVI zapovjednik vojske bosanskih Srba Ratko Mladić trenutačno se skriva u Pančevu u jednom objektu Vojske SCG, tvrdi u subotu sarajevski "Dnevni avaz".
Pozivajući se na pouzdane izvore iz Obavjetajno-sigurnosne agencije Bosne i Hercegovine (OSA), ovaj list navodi kako je Mladić u Pančevo stigao nedavno nakon boravka u Crnoj Gori u blizini Nikića.
Novo boravite jednog od najtraenijih hakih bjegunaca navodno je zgrada biveg operativnog sredita Vojske SCG, a za njegovu neposrednu zatitu zaduene su tri osobe od kojih je jedna djelatni vojni časnik.
"Avaz" tvrdi kako Mladića tite Dragan Lalović, Milenko Avram koji je pripadnik VSCG te Alaksandar Vuković.
Uz njih trojicu za Mladićevu sigurnost zaduena je posebna postrojba vojne policije.
Izvor iz OSA-e navodi kako je činjenica da Mladić boravi u Pančevu vjerojatno bila povod ministru vanjskih poslova SCG Vuku Drakoviću da ranije ovog tjedna izjavi kako se taj haki bjegunac skriva uz zatitu srbijanske obavjetajne slube.
Die Sarajeva Zeitung "Dnevni Avaz" sagt das sich Mladic in einer Kaserne in Pancevo versteckt.
Angeklagter Mladic in Belgrad versteckt
Belgrad/dpa. Der vom UN-Kriegsverbrechertribunal angeklagte frühere Kommandant der bosnischen Serben, Ratko Mladic, ist einem Zeitungsbericht zufolge monatelang in einer Kaserne versteckt worden. Noch vor einem halben Jahr habe Mladic sich in der Belgrader Topcider-Kaserne aufgehalten, zitierte die Belgrader Zeitung «Danas» am Montag den desertierten Unteroffizier Miroslav Petrovic. Dieser war eigenen Angaben zufolge für die persönliche Sicherheit Mladics verantwortlich, bevor er sich im November 2004 der internationalen Kosovo-Schutztruppe KFOR stellte. Mladic ist der einzige der für das im Juli 1995 verübte Massaker in der ostbosnischen Stadt Srebrenica Angeklagte, der sich den Behörden bisher nicht gestellt hat.
Zwei im Oktober unter ungeklärten Umständen getötete Soldaten seien ermordet worden, weil sie Mladic in der Kaserne erkannt hätten, sagte Petrovic der Zeitung. Vor einem Jahr habe die serbische Armee in Belgrad zudem ein geheimes Treffen organisiert, bei dem Maßnahmen für die Sicherheit von Mladic abgesprochen worden seien. Der Verteidigungsminister von Serbien-Montenegro, Prvoslav Davinic, der bisher jede Hilfe des Militärs für Mladic bestritten hatte, kündigte am Montag eine Untersuchung der Vorwürfe an.
Auch der ebenfalls vom UN-Tribunal gesuchte ehemalige jugoslawische Generalstabschef Nebojsa Pavkovic, der jahrelang unbehelligt in Serbien gelebt hatte, ist einem anderem Zeitungsbericht zufolge untergetaucht. Er habe mit Hilfe einflussreicher Freunde aus der Armee Serbien-Montenegro verlassen können, berichtete die Zeitung «Blic» am Montag in Belgrad. Er halte sich wahrscheinlich bei Landsleuten im benachbarten Bosnien-Herzegowina versteckt.
Pavkovic wird wegen schwerster Verbrechen während des Bürgerkrieges in der südserbischen Unruheprovinz Kosovo in den Jahren 1998/1999 mit Haftbefehl gesucht. Am Wochenende hatte es in mehreren Presseberichten unter Berufung auf die Polizei geheißen, Pavkovic solle in den kommenden Tagen verhaftet werden.
Man merkt sehr wie "mutig" ein Serbe ist.
Große Fresse und Nix dahinter.
Töten Leute aber wenn ihnen der Arsch eng
zukommt vepissen sie sich als ob sie niemals
Und dann beschuldigt man die UÇK,
die Niemals Zivilisten umgebracht haben.
Sondern nur serb. Militärs,Paramilitärs und andere
Denkt dran: Albaner Keine Islamisten!
Wärend ihr Orthodoxen Ficker meint ihr könntet
auch die katholiken fertig machen!
Der einzige wahre Orthodoxe hier ist:
serb. offizier:´Mladic in belgrad!
Zbulimet e një nënoficeri të armatës serbo-malazeze për qëndrimin e Mlladiqit dhe tregtinë e armëve me shqiptarët
Beograd, 11 prill - Një nënoficer i armatës serbo-malazeze pohon se gjenerali i serbëve të Bosnjës Ratko Mlladiq, i cili akuzohet nga Tribunali Hagës për krime të luftës, në muajin tetor të vitit të kaluar ka qëndruar në bazën ushtarake në Topçider. Dy ushtarët fatkeq e kanë parë dhe janë likuiduar sa çel e mbyll sytë, thotë nënoficeri Miroslav D. Petroviq për gazetën "Danas" të Beogradit.
Vrasja e dy ushtarëve në bazën Topçider afër Beogradit, të cilën ushtria e paraqet si vetëvrasje, ende është objekt i hetimeve gjyqësore.
Petroviq ka dezertuar nga ushtria serbo-malazeze dhe aktualisht ndodhet në një bazë ushtarake të një vendi fqinjë nën mbrojtjen e SHBA-ve. Ai është arratisur në nëntor të vitit 2OO4 pasi që kishte zbuluar shitjen ilegale të armëve shqiptarëve të Luginës së Preshevës dhe të Kosovës afër Bujanocit. Petroviq thotë se pasi nuk ka dashur të bashkëpunojë me eprorët që kanë bërë tregti ilegale me armë, atë e kanë mbajtur të mbyllur disa ditë. Ai thotë se më 24 nëntor është arratisur në Kosovë dhe në Gjilan i është dorëzuar KFOR-it amerikan, i cili e ka pranuar dhe e ka mjekuar në spitalin ushtarak disa ditë.
serb. offizier ist nach kosova geflüchtet, weil er keine illegalen geschäfte mit albanern in preseva und kosova machen wollte, wurde von anderen kammeraden verprügelt, tagelang mißhandelt, konnte dennoch nach kosova flüchten. dort wurde er erstmal von der polizei, später durch die amerikaner geschützt.
zudem berichtete er, dass
ZWEI SERBISCHE JUNGE REKRUTEN ERMORDET WORDEN SIND, WEIL SIE
MLADIC GESEHEN HABEN,DEN ELTERN/VERWANDTEN WURDE DIES ALS
SELBSTMORD VERKAUFT, DAS SOLL IN TOPCIDER/BELGRAD PASSIERT
also, wenn ihr mladic- karadzic sehen solltet , selbstmord begehen oder zu uns flüchten! :wink:
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