Lupo....mach dein Scheiss selbst auf ...
Erstellt von Metkovic, 18.12.2005, 10:14 Uhr · 127 Antworten · 2.956 Aufrufe
Lupo....mach dein Scheiss selbst auf ...
@Karadjordje, Du machst hier einen Mega Fehler! Du vermischt jetzt Birnen mit Äpfeln und Tomaten! Hättest besser beim Grund Thema bleiben sollen.
Zitat von Karadjordje
Tim Ripley von Janes gilt als eine Art Nr. 2 bei Militärischen Anaylsen bei der Geheimdienst Bibel Nr. 1 Janes. siehe www.janes.com
Zitat von Karadjordje
Janes gilt als Weltweite Grundlage für die Arbeit von Sicherheit und Militärischen Reports.
Deshalb ist es interessant, was ein Tim Ripley so einwirft.
genau, in srebrenica war nichts. aber betrachten wir mal das vorgehen von serbischen faschisten wie karinadjorde.
man versucht das größte verbrechen diese krieges zu vertuschen und zu verharmlosen damit man das ganze dann auf den ganzen krieg in bosnien übertragen kann. es ist die selbe art wie sie neonazis verwenden. sie leugnen nicht alle verbrechen im krieg sondern suchen sich die schloimmsten aus (in diesem falle den holocaust) und relativieren die zahlen (hat karinadjorde bereits in einem anderen thread gemacht) oder leugnen es sogar ganz (wie er hier schon ansetzt).
als nächstes wird dann das thema sarajevo in angriff genommen wo man schon anfing indem man serbische opfer, die auf bosnischer seite kämpften einfach mal die seite wechseln ließ in listen und als opfer von moslems hinstellte. faschisten wie sie schon immer waren.
Naja anderes Thema.
Zitat von lupo-de-mare
Würde ich auch Sagen. Das war jetzt mal mehr wie genug! Man kann auch übertreiben.
Zitat von Karadjordje
Dann sollen die Mod's einfach den Titel ändern bzw. der Autor:
Zitat von Ivo2
Die Überschrift ist wirklich extrem krass!
Wie Du siehst gibt es immer wieder einflussreiche Persönlichkeiten die eure primitiven Hoaxis torpedieren. Ooooo armee Mujahedine ...
Zitat von BalkanSurfer
Der einstige Deputy Chief Operations Officer der UN in Bosnien frägt:
Those questions are as follows
A - Why Naser Oric was not in Srebrenica to defend the enclave?
B -Why local leadership tried to sell us (UNMOs) the idea that the enclave
was not organising the defence?
C - Why did they pressure us to pass the lie of Serbs attacking with
D - Why the ABiH did not take one single weapon from the weapon collection
E - Why they did not defend themselves opposing to previous offensive
attitudes against serbian villages around Srebrenica?
F - Why the BSA did attack in only one direction, from the north to the
south, leaving the hypothesis to escape to the north and west?
G - Why ABiH 2 Corps did not lift a single finger to defend their muslim
brothers in Srebrenica?
H - A final question. The accurate CNN satelite photos. Let's supposed they
were taken in the region. Why it was not disclosed so far their exactly
position? the grids, for instance. Before Dayton there was the excuse of
restriction of movement (ROM), but ROM finished on 19 December95. Where are
the corps of the CNN mass graves? The type and quantity of mass graves
discovered so far reinforces my "theory" and I quote again my article: There
are obviously mass graves in the outskirts of Srebrenica ... where combat
has occured" but nothing that we can consider genocide. Normal, for the
Dispite the microscopic precision in localization of these graves, it is
certain that none has been discovered to date.We inevitably speculate on why
they have still not been shown to the world. It is reasonable and serious to
defend the thesis of 8000 corpses missing when after 2 years of
investigations only around 400 hundreds were identified? Did the remaining
I am not defending Serb leadership. I am just raising a few questions for
debate which no one, so far, was able to give me a compreensible and proper
Hoaxes, Lügen, muselmanen Propaganda bezüglich Srebrenica ....
I lied to my viewers, Carleton admits
March 1 2002
Veteran reporter Richard Carleton yesterday admitted he misled and lied to viewers of the 60 Minutes current affairs program by showing footage from another mass grave to illustrate a story about the Srebrenica massacre.
Mr Carleton and the 60 Minutes team are suing the ABC, former Media Watch presenter Paul Barry and then executive producer Peter McEvoy for defamation over two Media Watch segments in July 2000.
Mr Barry said a 60 Minutes story to mark the fifth anniversary of the massacre of Muslims at Srebrenica in Bosnia had used the same footage and interviewed the same people as an earlier BBC documentary.
"Perhaps it's plagiarism, certainly it's lazy journalism," Mr Barry said.
Cross-examined by Terry Tobin, for the ABC, Mr Carleton conceded he had knowingly used footage of victims being exhumed from a mass grave far away from Srebrenica to illustrate the Channel Nine report.
Asked by Mr Tobin if he had misled viewers, Mr Carleton said: "In the technical meaning of the word misleading, yes."
Asked if had he lied, he said: "If I take the word lie to mean misled, yes, I misled, in the technical sense and in the sense that meaning (is) lie, yes, I lied."
Mr Carleton denied he had behaved unethically as a journalist and said the footage had enhanced viewers' understanding of the 1995 massacre.
The ACT Supreme Court also heard 60 Minutes had broadcast footage taken from the BBC documentary of a man showing how he was forced to lure his family to their deaths.
Mr Carleton said he was not aware the footage had been lifted until after the show went to air and the process of suing Media Watch had begun.
Producer Howard Sacre - also suing along with executive producer John Westacott - had told him: "We have got a bit of a problem here."
"I f----- up," Mr Carleton quoted Mr Sacre as saying.
He said Nine's tape with the same footage had gone missing.
But documents tendered to the court showed Mr Carleton sent a fax to the Bosnian man employed as 60 Minutes' local liaison in May, 2000 - a month before the 60 Minutes team went to Bosnia - with a list of 17 shots from the BBC program he wanted him to obtain.
Mr Carleton told him he should not pay too much for the lure footage because under Australian copyright law, 60 Minutes could show a small amount of footage recorded off-air from the BBC program.
The hearing is continuing.
Was soll dieses ganze Kasperletheater? Paddy entlässt 59 serb. Politiker nur damit die neuen diesen Hoax akzeptieren? Was soll das alles krampfhafte?
Der sensationellste Bericht den jemals westliche Geheimdienste freigegeben haben war der über Srebrenica ...
America used Islamists to arm the Bosnian Muslims
The Srebrenica report reveals the Pentagon's role in a dirty war
Richard J Aldrich
Monday April 22, 2002
The official Dutch inquiry into the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, released last week, contains one of the most sensational reports on western intelligence ever published. Officials have been staggered by its findings and the Dutch government has resigned. One of its many volumes is devoted to clandestine activities during the Bosnian war of the early 1990s. For five years, Professor Cees Wiebes of Amsterdam University has had unrestricted access to Dutch intelligence files and has stalked the corridors of secret service headquarters in western capitals, as well as in Bosnia, asking questions.
His findings are set out in "Intelligence and the war in Bosnia, 1992-1995". It includes remarkable material on covert operations, signals interception, human agents and double-crossing by dozens of agencies in one of dirtiest wars of the new world disorder. Now we have the full story of the secret alliance between the Pentagon and radical Islamist groups from the Middle East designed to assist the Bosnian Muslims - some of the same groups that the Pentagon is now fighting in "the war against terrorism". Pentagon operations in Bosnia have delivered their own "blowback".
In the 1980s Washington's secret services had assisted Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran. Then, in 1990, the US fought him in the Gulf. In both Afghanistan and the Gulf, the Pentagon had incurred debts to Islamist groups and their Middle Eastern sponsors. By 1993 these groups, many supported by Iran and Saudi Arabia, were anxious to help Bosnian Muslims fighting in the former Yugoslavia and called in their debts with the Americans. Bill Clinton and the Pentagon were keen to be seen as creditworthy and repaid in the form of an Iran-Contra style operation - in flagrant violation of the UN security council arms embargo against all combatants in the former Yugoslavia.
The result was a vast secret conduit of weapons smuggling though Croatia. This was arranged by the clandestine agencies of the US, Turkey and Iran, together with a range of radical Islamist groups, including Afghan mojahedin and the pro-Iranian Hizbullah. Wiebes reveals that the British intelligence services obtained documents early on in the Bosnian war proving that Iran was making direct deliveries.
Arms purchased by Iran and Turkey with the financial backing of Saudi Arabia made their way by night from the Middle East. Initially aircraft from Iran Air were used, but as the volume increased they were joined by a mysterious fleet of black C-130 Hercules aircraft. The report stresses that the US was "very closely involved" in the airlift. Mojahedin fighters were also flown in, but they were reserved as shock troops for especially hazardous operations.
Light weapons are the familiar currency of secret services seeking to influence such conflicts. The volume of weapons flown into Croatia was enormous, partly because of a steep Croatian "transit tax". Croatian forces creamed off between 20% and 50% of the arms. The report stresses that this entire trade was clearly illicit. The Croats themselves also obtained massive quantities of illegal weapons from Germany, Belgium and Argentina - again in contravention of the UN arms embargo. The German secret services were fully aware of the trade.
Rather than the CIA, the Pentagon's own secret service was the hidden force behind these operations. The UN protection force, UNPROFOR, was dependent on its troop-contributing nations for intelligence, and above all on the sophisticated monitoring capabilities of the US to police the arms embargo. This gave the Pentagon the ability to manipulate the embargo at will: ensuring that American Awacs aircraft covered crucial areas and were able to turn a blind eye to the frequent nightime comings and goings at Tuzla.
Weapons flown in during the spring of 1995 were to turn up only a fortnight later in the besieged and demilitarised enclave at Srebrenica. When these shipments were noticed, Americans pressured UNPROFOR to rewrite reports, and when Norwegian officials protested about the flights, they were reportedly threatened into silence.
Both the CIA and British SIS had a more sophisticated perspective on the conflict than the Pentagon, insisting that no side had clean hands and arguing for caution. James Woolsey, director of the CIA until May 1995, had increasingly found himself out of step with the Clinton White House over his reluctance to develop close relations with the Islamists. The sentiments were reciprocated. In the spring of 1995, when the CIA sent its first head of station to Sarajevo to liaise with Bosnia's security authorities, the Bosnians tipped off Iranian intelligence. The CIA learned that the Iranians had targeted him for liquidation and quickly withdrew him.
Iranian and Afghan veterans' training camps had also been identified in Bosnia. Later, in the Dayton Accords of November 1995, the stipulation appeared that all foreign forces be withdrawn. This was a deliberate attempt to cleanse Bosnia of Iranian-run training camps. The CIA's main opponents in Bosnia were now the mojahedin fighters and their Iranian trainers - whom the Pentagon had been helping to supply months earlier.
Meanwhile, the secret services of Ukraine, Greece and Israel were busy arming the Bosnian Serbs. Mossad was especially active and concluded a deal with the Bosnian Serbs at Pale involving a substantial supply of artillery shells and mortar bombs. In return they secured safe passage for the Jewish population out of the besieged town of Sarajevo. Subsequently, the remaining population was perplexed to find that unexploded mortar bombs landing in Sarajevo sometimes had Hebrew markings.
The broader lessons of the intelligence report on Srebrenica are clear. Those who were able to deploy intelligence power, including the Americans and their enemies, the Bosnian Serbs, were both able to get their way. Conversely, the UN and the Dutch government were "deprived of the means and capacity for obtaining intelligence" for the Srebrenica deployment, helping to explain why they blundered in, and contributed to the terrible events there.
Secret intelligence techniques can be war-winning and life-saving. But they are not being properly applied. How the UN can have good intelligence in the context of multinational peace operations is a vexing question. Removing light weapons from a conflict can be crucial to drawing it down. But the secret services of some states - including Israel and Iran - continue to be a major source of covert supply, pouring petrol on the flames of already bitter conflicts.
· Richard J Aldrich is Professor of Politics at the University of Nottingham. His 'The Hidden Hand: Britain, America and Cold War Secret Intelligence' is published in paperback by John Murray in August.
Du kleine Kröte ich hab dich gewarnt...zieh nicht immer alles ins lächerliche mit so tehmen ist nicht zu spassen
Ich dachte der Clinton-Regierung geht es darum das Verbrechen detailiert aufzuklären ...
UN-Tribunal kritisiert französische 'Totalblockade'
Paris verbietet Zeugenvernehmung Janviers und anderer französischer
Offiziere in Den Haag
Genf (taz) - In zahlreichen Ersuchen an die Pariser Regierung bemüht sich das Den Haager Kriegsverbrechertribunal bereits seit letztem Jahr intensiv, General Bernhard Janvier und andere französische Offiziere als Zeugen zu Srebrenica und anderen bislang nicht aufgeklärten Ereignissen während der knapp dreieinhalbjährigen Unprofor-Mission (Herbst 1992-Dezember 1995) zu vernehmen. Die Regierung in Paris hat den Offizieren einen Auftritt vor dem Tribunal untersagt. Mit diesem Verbot, nach Einschätzung von Tribunalbeobachtern in erster Linie eine 'Lex Janvier', verstößt die Pariser Regierung gegen ihre völkerrechtliche Verpflichtung zur Kooperation mit dem UNO-Tribunal. Dessen kanadische Chefanklägerin Louise Arbour warf Frankreich am Montag in einem Interview mit Le Monde eine 'Totalblockade' des Tribunals vor.[...] Aber auch andere Staaten kommen ihrer völkerrechtlichen Verpflichtung zur 'uneingeschränkten Zusammenarbeit' mit dem UNO- Tribunal nicht nach. So hält die US-Regierung Geheimdiensterkenntnisse zurück, die für die Aufklärung der Vorgänge in Srebrenica wesentlich sind. Auch die Bonner Regierung verfügt über Erkenntnisse des Bundesnachrichtendienstes (BND) über die Vorbereitung der Angriffe auf Srebrenica. In der New Yorker UNO- Zentrale wurden alle Srebrenica- relevanten Akten für die nächsten 30 bis 50 Jahre weggesperrt und dürfen auch dem Tribunal nicht vorgelegt werden. Dies geschah auf Verlangen der ständigen Sicherheitsratsmitglieder USA, Frankreich und Großbritannien, die sich auf ihre nationalen Geheimschutzbestimmungen für Regierungsdokumente beriefen.
Warum werden alle relevanten Srebrenica-Informationen ein halbes jahrhundert weggesperrt?
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