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Schwarzgeld aus Griechenland zwecks lobbying um Namensstreit

Erstellt von Skitnik, 25.09.2011, 20:24 Uhr · 56 Antworten · 3.414 Aufrufe

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    Schwarzgeld aus Griechenland zwecks lobbying um Namensstreit

    Angeblich kommt das geld nicht aus der Staatskasse, und ich vermute dass das nur ein tropfen auf dem heissen stein ist da 75 000 euro einfach viel zu wenig sind um egal was zu erreichen.

    Hochegger: Schwarzgeld für Mazedonien-Lobbying - Causa Grasser - derStandard.at



    gruss.

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    Europa weis noch nicht warum GR pleite gehen wird...

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    guck ma wer der redet


    wenigstens stecken unsere leute kein geld in irgendwelchen propaganda filmchen um den nachbarn schlechtdarzustellen

    oder bezahlen irgendwelche pseudowissenschaftler damit die beweisen das der nachbar aus afrika stammt und sub saharan ist



    eure regierung ist einfach

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    das thema war ein anderes.

    und für das was du sagst möcht ich Belege!

    und schlecht dargestellt wird von griechischer Seite. haha was ich im mazedonien-forum von pappnasen lesen musste... da ist so ein "gebet" indem pseudomakedonische scheisse gesprochen wird grad halb so peinlich.

    noch peinlicher ist doch dass ihr geld ausgeben müsst, da ihr euch wohl bewusst seit dass ihr im unrecht seit.

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    guck ma wer der redet


    wenigstens stecken unsere leute kein geld in irgendwelchen propaganda filmchen um den nachbarn schlechtdarzustellen

    oder bezahlen irgendwelche pseudowissenschaftler damit die beweisen das der nachbar aus afrika stammt und sub saharan ist



    eure regierung ist einfach


    Greece Paid Journalists $130 Million to promote "greekness of Macedonia"


    During 1989 to 1993 from secret funds of the Greek Foreign Ministry headed by Andonis Samaras, Greek journalists received $130 million dollars (US) to promote the "greekness of Macedonia"!

    Although these funds were originally intended for external promotion (read disinformation), they, according to the testimony of former Prime Minister Constantinos Mitsotakis, ended up in pockets of Greek journalists.

    - All of the funds were in black plastic bags, like those black trash bags you see, filled only with 5,000 bank notes. There were never checks, it was always cash. The money was mainly for propaganda over Macedonia's name, but instead of going abroad, this propaganda was directed towards the inside, our country - said Mitsotakis in front of a commission summoned to clarify the case.
    The payment of huge lump sums coincided with the independence of Macedonia and the strengthening of internal propaganda and the so called "macedoniazation" in Greece.

    This scandal, which was first actualized by Athens based Eleftherotypia was burried in 1994 though it re-emerged once again after Andonis Samaras was elected as leader of New Democracy, which suffered a defeat by PASOK in the fall elections.
    Samaras had been dismissed in 1992 as a Foreign Minister by then-Prime Minister Mitsotakis, who, like Papandreou has now himself assumed the foreign ministry.

    The investigation was completed without conclusions. These secret payments were investigated by Mitsotakis’ successor, the Greek Foreign Ministry, Government and current president Karolos Papoulias. The Greek Government issued no information and closed the investigation in the name of "higher national interests".

    The dilemma whether the Greek Government bribed journalists as well as publishers across the country to publish material that would promote Athens’ agenda hangs in the air.
    Andonis Samaras publicly acknowledged large amounts of money were paid to publishers, journalists, even local officials, adding all money were used for “national useful purposes”.

    It is indicative that all documents were destroyed prior to Mitsotakis’ takeover of Greece’s FM from Samaras - on April 13, 1993. Samaras himself attested that the documents were destroyed on March 17 that year. The only thing left are the total amounts and recorded statements - the money were distributed by (Manolis Kalamidas close to Samaras and Dimitris Avramopoulos, a man of trust to Mitsotakis).

    The scandal itself surfaced following the collapse of the Mitsotakis government in October 10, 1993. To make things more interesting, the Foreign Minister of the new government of PASOK - after Mitsotakis and Samaras - was none other than the current present President of Greece Karolos Papoulias!
    Papoulias engaged a United States attorney, former judge, who practically discovered the secret funds. The investigation never revealed the names of journalists and news organizations that were at the receiving end of these payouts.

    According to documents from the investigation on March 10, 1994 Mitsotakis before the Commission confirmed that there were secret funds from the MFA, adding funds also became available from banks and other large companies. Since taking office, Mitsotakis described the situation in the MFA as "bad" adding “presently we have only 40-48 million drachmas (220 thousand dollars), while large sums of money are directed to unknown persons without the appropriate paperwork”.
    Mitsotakis explained the funds were distributed by the Minister, and controlled by three member commission appointed by the Minister. All documents, if any, were destroyed twice annually.

    The former Greek prime minister asked Samaras to explain where the money went. Samaras never provided a concise answer, saying the money were spent on “Advertisement”.

    Mitsotakis testified that he "personally knows journalists who received cash from the Government”. On the question to further explain how this was done, Mitsotakis provided further details: "There were bags of money. They were in black plastic bags, like those used in trash bins. Filled with 5,000 bills. All payments were in cash only, no checks. The money was mainly for propaganda over Macedonia's name, but instead of spending the money abroad, the propaganda was aimed inside."

    Mitsotakis had knowledge that some of the money were intended for specific journalists to build Samaras’ political image. This current leader of New Democracy, Samaras, on April 21, 1994 before the committee denied that any funds were given to journalists in order to build himself up. Asked where did the huge amounts of unregistered payments gone, he said "all the payments for practical purposes had been placed under item “information”.


    year
    planned payment
    paid to Journalists ($132m)
    1989
    $12,2 million
    $18 million
    1990
    $11 million
    $11,3 million
    1991
    $13,8 million
    $27,8 million
    1992
    $22,6 million
    $41,1 million
    1993
    $23,9 million
    $34, 4 million

    In Greece, the law entitles the minister to dispose of secret funds for the costs of "national interest" and how they will use these funds depends on the Minister's "patriotism".

    To all future 'journalists': move to Greece. The pay is good, you never have to write anything, all information comes pre-packaged. //END




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    Fyromische Nachrichten...

    MINA Breaking News



    Hippokrates

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    Hochegger: Griechisches Schwarzgeld für Namenslobbying - news.ORF.at

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    Yunan
    Wenns im eigenen Land mies läuft (seit inzwischen 20 Jahren), dann stochert man bei Anderen rum und nervt sie.

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    Die griechische Regierung sei darüber informiert gewesen und habe ursprünglich auch zugestimmt, dann aber ihre Meinung geändert und das Projekt abgebrochen.

    Das sagt schon einiges aus

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    Zitat Zitat von Big MD Beitrag anzeigen
    das thema war ein anderes.

    und für das was du sagst möcht ich Belege!

    und schlecht dargestellt wird von griechischer Seite. haha was ich im mazedonien-forum von pappnasen lesen musste... da ist so ein "gebet" indem pseudomakedonische scheisse gesprochen wird grad halb so peinlich.

    noch peinlicher ist doch dass ihr geld ausgeben müsst, da ihr euch wohl bewusst seit dass ihr im unrecht seit.




    propaganda film gegen griechenland sonen nick stoyan hats niemals gegeben




    Antonio Arnaiz-Villena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    und hier der bezahlte immunologist


    Greeks and Sub-Saharans
    Arnaiz-Villena et al. published five scientific articles, where, among other claims, they concluded that the Greek population originates from Sub-Saharan Africa and do not cluster with other Mediterraneans.[4][10][11][12][13] The explanation they offered is that a large number of Sub-Saharans had migrated to Greece (but not to Crete) during ancient times.[4][10][11][12] Those conclusions were related to the "Black Athena" debate and became embroiled in disputes between Greek and ethnic Macedonian nationalists.[14]
    They cited Dörk et al. for having found a marker on Chromosome 7 that is common to Black Africans and, among Caucasoid populations, is found only in Greeks.[10][15] Dörk et al. did find an African-type of cystic fibrosis mutation in Greeks, however this mutation was extremely rare; it was detected only in three Greek families.[15] The explanation they offered is quite different from Arnaiz-Villena's. Dörk et al. state: "Historical contacts-for example, under Alexander the Great or during the ancient Minoan civilization-may provide an explanation for the common ancestry of disease mutations in these ethnically diverse populations."[15]
    Hajjej et al. claimed to have confirmed the genetic relatedness between Greeks and Sub-Saharans.[16][17] However they used the same methodology (same gene markers) and same data samples like Arnaiz-Villena et al.[4][11][16][17]
    Other authors contradict Arnaiz-Villena's results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European and Mediterranean populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot[18]). Then, Ayub et al. 2003[19] did the same thing using 182 loci (view dendrogram[20]).[21] Another study was conducted in 2004 at Skopje's University of Ss. Kiril and Metodij, using high-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 according to Arnaiz-Villena's methodology. Contrary to Arnaiz-Villena's conclusion, no sub-Saharan admixture was detected in the Greek sample.[21]
    In a sample of 125 Greeks from Thessaloniki and Sarakatsani, 2 Asian-specific mtDNA sequences (M and D) were detected (1.6%). No sub-Saharan African genes were observed in this population, therefore, non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Greece is very low, as elsewhere in Europe.[22] Additionally, in a sample of 366 Greeks from thirteen locations in continental Greece, Crete, Lesvos and Chios, a single African haplogroup A Y Chromosome was found (0.3%). This marks the only instance to date of sub-Saharan DNA being discovered in Greece. In another sample of 42 Greeks, one sequence of the Siberian Tat-C haplogroup turned up, while other studies with larger sample populations have failed to detect this paternal marker in the Greek gene pool[23][24] and that its frequencies are actually much higher in Scandinavian and Slavic populations.[25][26] Also, a paper has detected clades of haplogroups J and E3b that were likely not part of pre-historic migrations into Europe, but rather spread by later historical movements. Greeks possess none of the lineages denoting North African ancestry within the last 5000 years and have only 2% (3/148) of the marker J-M267, which may reflect more recent Middle Eastern admixture.[27]
    Jobling et al., in their genetics textbook "Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples & Disease", state that Arnaiz-Villena’s conclusions on the Sub-Saharan origin of Greeks, is an example of arbitrary interpretation and that the methodology used is not appropriate for this kind of research.[28] Karatzios C. et al., made a systematic review of genetics and historical documents, showing great flaws in Arnaiz-Villena’s methodology and theory on the Greeks/Sub-Saharan genetic relationship.[29]
    Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, criticised Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.[30] They stated that "Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics. The limitations are made evident by the authors’ extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups." Arnaiz-Villena et al. countered this criticism in a response, stating "single-locus studies, whether using HLA or other markers, are common in this field and are regularly published in the specialist literature".[31]



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