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    propaganda film gegen griechenland sonen nick stoyan hats niemals gegeben




    Antonio Arnaiz-Villena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    und hier der bezahlte immunologist


    Greeks and Sub-Saharans
    Arnaiz-Villena et al. published five scientific articles, where, among other claims, they concluded that the Greek population originates from Sub-Saharan Africa and do not cluster with other Mediterraneans.[4][10][11][12][13] The explanation they offered is that a large number of Sub-Saharans had migrated to Greece (but not to Crete) during ancient times.[4][10][11][12] Those conclusions were related to the "Black Athena" debate and became embroiled in disputes between Greek and ethnic Macedonian nationalists.[14]
    They cited Dörk et al. for having found a marker on Chromosome 7 that is common to Black Africans and, among Caucasoid populations, is found only in Greeks.[10][15] Dörk et al. did find an African-type of cystic fibrosis mutation in Greeks, however this mutation was extremely rare; it was detected only in three Greek families.[15] The explanation they offered is quite different from Arnaiz-Villena's. Dörk et al. state: "Historical contacts-for example, under Alexander the Great or during the ancient Minoan civilization-may provide an explanation for the common ancestry of disease mutations in these ethnically diverse populations."[15]
    Hajjej et al. claimed to have confirmed the genetic relatedness between Greeks and Sub-Saharans.[16][17] However they used the same methodology (same gene markers) and same data samples like Arnaiz-Villena et al.[4][11][16][17]
    Other authors contradict Arnaiz-Villena's results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European and Mediterranean populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot[18]). Then, Ayub et al. 2003[19] did the same thing using 182 loci (view dendrogram[20]).[21] Another study was conducted in 2004 at Skopje's University of Ss. Kiril and Metodij, using high-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 according to Arnaiz-Villena's methodology. Contrary to Arnaiz-Villena's conclusion, no sub-Saharan admixture was detected in the Greek sample.[21]
    In a sample of 125 Greeks from Thessaloniki and Sarakatsani, 2 Asian-specific mtDNA sequences (M and D) were detected (1.6%). No sub-Saharan African genes were observed in this population, therefore, non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Greece is very low, as elsewhere in Europe.[22] Additionally, in a sample of 366 Greeks from thirteen locations in continental Greece, Crete, Lesvos and Chios, a single African haplogroup A Y Chromosome was found (0.3%). This marks the only instance to date of sub-Saharan DNA being discovered in Greece. In another sample of 42 Greeks, one sequence of the Siberian Tat-C haplogroup turned up, while other studies with larger sample populations have failed to detect this paternal marker in the Greek gene pool[23][24] and that its frequencies are actually much higher in Scandinavian and Slavic populations.[25][26] Also, a paper has detected clades of haplogroups J and E3b that were likely not part of pre-historic migrations into Europe, but rather spread by later historical movements. Greeks possess none of the lineages denoting North African ancestry within the last 5000 years and have only 2% (3/148) of the marker J-M267, which may reflect more recent Middle Eastern admixture.[27]
    Jobling et al., in their genetics textbook "Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples & Disease", state that Arnaiz-Villena’s conclusions on the Sub-Saharan origin of Greeks, is an example of arbitrary interpretation and that the methodology used is not appropriate for this kind of research.[28] Karatzios C. et al., made a systematic review of genetics and historical documents, showing great flaws in Arnaiz-Villena’s methodology and theory on the Greeks/Sub-Saharan genetic relationship.[29]
    Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, criticised Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.[30] They stated that "Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics. The limitations are made evident by the authors’ extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups." Arnaiz-Villena et al. countered this criticism in a response, stating "single-locus studies, whether using HLA or other markers, are common in this field and are regularly published in the specialist literature".[31]



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    Übrigens der Film "Nick Stoyan" ist nicht von Mazedoniens Regierung finanziert

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    Übrigens der Film "Nick Stoyan" ist nicht von Mazedoniens Regierung finanziert


    biste dumm oder tuste nur so hab doch den wiki link gepostet du depp

    brauchst mir jetzt nicht kommen mit "oooh wikipedia" guck gaz unten nach da sind alle quellen aufgelistet



    aber ich bin ma so nett und poste dir alle quellen zu diesem wikieintrag



    ^ "scholar.google.es/scholar?q=Arnaiz-Villena&hl=es&btnG=Buscar&lr=".
    ^ "www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez".
    ^ "Universidad Complutense de Madrid". Retrieved 21 April 2011.
    ^ a b c d e f Arnaiz-Villena A, Elaiwa N, Silvera C, et al. (September 2001). "The origin of Palestinians and their genetic relatedness with other Mediterranean populations". Hum. Immunol. 62 (9): 889–900. doi:10.1016/S0198-8859(01)00288-9. PMID 11543891.
    ^ "The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations" (PDF). Retrieved 21 February 2011.
    ^ Suciu-Foca N, Lewis R (October 2001). "Editorial. Anthropology and genetic markers". Hum. Immunol. 62 (10): 1063. doi:10.1016/S0198-8859(01)00350-0. PMID 11600210.
    ^ Robin McKie (25 November 2001). "Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians". The Observer (The Guardian).
    ^ Shashok K (June 2003). "Pitfalls of editorial miscommunication". BMJ 326 (7401): 1262–4. doi:10.1136/bmj.326.7401.1262. PMC 1126131. PMID 12791749.
    ^ Andrew Goffey, Mercenary molecules: immunology and the holy war. Mediactive, 1 July 2003.
    ^ a b c Arnaiz-Villena A, Gomez-Casado E, Martinez-Laso J (August 2002). "Population genetic relationships between Mediterranean populations determined by HLA allele distribution and a historic perspective". Tissue Antigens 60 (2): 111–21. doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2002.600201.x. PMID 12392505.
    ^ a b c d Arnaiz-Villena A, Dimitroski K, Pacho A, et al. (February 2001). "HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks". Tissue Antigens 57 (2): 118–27. doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2001.057002118.x. PMID 11260506.
    ^ a b c Arnaiz-Villena A, Martinez-Laso J, Alonso-Garciá J (September 2001). "The correlation between languages and genes: the Usko-Mediterranean peoples". Hum. Immunol. 62 (9): 1051–61. doi:10.1016/S0198-8859(01)00300-7. PMID 11543906.
    ^ Arnaiz-Villena A, Karin M, Bendikuze N, et al. (April 2001). "HLA alleles and haplotypes in the Turkish population: relatedness to Kurds, Armenians and other Mediterraneans". Tissue Antigens 57 (4): 308–17. doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2001.057004308.x. PMID 11380939.
    ^ "Diana Muir & Paul S. Apelbaum: The Gene Wars, Azure, Winter 5767, 2007, NO. 27".
    ^ a b c Dörk T, El-Harith EH, Stuhrmann M, et al. (August 1998). "Evidence for a common ethnic origin of cystic fibrosis mutation 3120+1G-->A in diverse populations". Am. J. Hum. Genet. 63 (2): 656–62. doi:10.1086/301950. PMC 1377292. PMID 9683582.
    ^ a b Hajjej A, Hmida S, Kaabi H, et al. (2006). "HLA genes in Southern Tunisians (Ghannouch area) and their relationship with other Mediterraneans". Eur J Med Genet 49 (1): 43–56. doi:10.1016/j.ejmg.2005.01.001. PMID 16473309.
    ^ a b Hajjej A, Sellami MH, Kaabi H, et al. (March 2011). "HLA class I and class II polymorphisms in Tunisian Berbers". Ann. Hum. Biol. 38 (2): 156–64. doi:10.3109/03014460.2010.504195. PMID 20666704.
    ^ "MDS plot".
    ^ Ayub et al.; Mansoor, A; Ismail, M; Khaliq, S; Mohyuddin, A; Hameed, A; Mazhar, K; Rehman, S et al. (2003 Nov). "Reconstruction of human evolutionary tree using polymorphic autosomal microsatellites". American Journal of Physical Anthropology 122 (3): 259–68. doi:10.1002/ajpa.10234. PMID 14533184.
    ^ "dendrogram".
    ^ a b "High-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 locus in the Macedonian population".
    ^ Richards et al. (2000), Tracing European Founder Lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA Pool. Am J Hum Genet; 67:1251–1276
    ^ Malaspina et al. (2000) Patterns of Male-specific Inter-population Divergence in Europe, West Asia and North Africa. Ann Hum Genet; 64:395-412
    ^ Weale et al. (2001), Armenian Y chromosome haplotypes reveal strong regional structure within a single ethno-national group, Hum Genet 109:659-674
    ^ Helgason et al. (2000), Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic Ancestry in the Male Settlers of Iceland. Am J Hum Genet; 67:697-717
    ^ Di Giacomo et al. (2003),Clinal Patterns of Human Y chromosomal Diversity in Continental Italy and Greece Are Dominated by Drift and Founder Effects. Mol Phylogenet Evol 28:387-395
    ^ Semino et al. (2004), Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area. Am J Hum Genet. 2004 May; 74(5): 1023–1034.
    ^ Jobling, M.A., Hurles, M.E. and Tyler-Smith, C.. Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples and Disease. 2004. ISBN 978-0-8153-4185-7.
    ^ Christos Karatzios, Stephen G. Miller, Costas D. Triantaphyllidis. (2011-01-10). "Genetics Studies in the Greek Population vs Pseudoscience". Retrieved 2011-02-03.
    ^ Risch N, Piazza A, Cavalli-Sforza LL (January 2002). "Dropped genetics paper lacked scientific merit". Nature 415 (6868): 115. doi:10.1038/415115b. PMID 11805804.
    ^ Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Eduardo Gomez-Casado,& Jorge Martinez-Laso (2002). Single-locus studies. Nature 416, 677 (18 April 2002) Access : Single-locus studies : Nature
    ^ Arnaiz-Villena A, Vargas-Alarcon G, Granados J, Gomez-Casado E, Longas J, Gonzales-Hevilla M, Zuniga J, Salgado N, Hernandez-Pacheco G, Guillen J, Martinez-Laso J.; HLA genes in Mexican Mazatecans, the peopling of the Americas and the uniqueness of Amerindians.
    ^ a b Trask, L. The History of Basque Routledge: 1997 ISBN 0-415-13116-2
    ^ Saltarelli, M. Basque (1988) Croom Helm ISBN 0-415-03681-X
    ^ See for instance the chapter "Cuentos de ciencia ficción" in Alonso and Arnaiz Egipcios, bereberes, guanches y vascos (Madrid, 2000), where they claim that Egyptology "remains anchored in a stark esoterism feeding all sorts of science fiction stories" (sigue anclados en un esoterismo descarnado alimentando toda clase de cuentos de ciencia ficción, p. 443); they make the same claim for Assyriology and Hittitology in "Caucásicos, turcos, mesopotámicos y vascos" (Madrid 2001, p. 355).
    ^ In the accepted translation, the cartouche in question reads "King Ptolemy, living forever, beloved of Ptah" which, according to Arnaiz-Villena, should instead be translated as "cremation-one-if-death-prayer-fire-brotherhood-deceased-sinners-if" in Basque. Arnaiz Villena, Antonio (2007): Lectura de la lengua ibérica
    ^ "there is no trace of laws in the so-called code. The theme is again funereal and religious. Hammurabi is transcribed in Basque AMA-UR-API ('grave in the waters of the mother')" [no hay asomo de leyes en el llamado código. La temática es también funeraria y religiosa. Hammurabi se transcribe en vasco AMA-UR-API ("tumba en las aguas de la madre")]—Caucásicos, turcos, mesopotámicos y vascos, p. 178 and section 4d "El titulado código de Hammurabi (AMA-UR-ABI) y otras 'leyes'", pp. 253–265
    ^ Acta de la reunión de la comisión científico-asesora de Iruña/Veleia [1], despite some isolated attempts to vindicate the Basque words of the inscriptions made by other persons.[2]
    ^ Antonio Arnaiz Villena: Los graffiti en euskera de Iruña Oka y la cultura usko-mediterranea.[3]
    ^ "chopo.pntic.mec.es/~biolmol/publicaciones/Usko.pdf" (PDF).
    ^ Prehistoric Iberia, Antonio Arnaiz-Villena et al., 2000
    ^ Caucásicos, turcos, mesopotámicos y vascos‎, Antonio Arnáiz Villena et al., 2001
    ^ Egipcios, bereberes, guanches y vascos‎, Antonio Arnáiz Villena et al., 2003
    ^ De Hoz Bravo (1999). "Viaje a ninguna parte a través del Mediterráneo. Las lenguas que no hablaron ni iberos, ni etruscos, ni cretenses". Revista de Libros. "es un desastre sin paliativos que en principio no debería ser reseñado [...] carente del más mínimo valor y a contrapelo no ya de la metodología científica más elemental sino del simple sentido común.".
    ^ W. Pichler (2005) "The Libyco-Berber inscriptions of the Canary Islands—misused as a playground for specialists and amateurs", in La Lettre de l’AARS 28:4–5.
    ^ Michelena, L. Fonética Histórica Vasca Publicaciones del Seminario Julio de Urquijo (1961)
    ^ Joseba Lakarra Andrinua (2001) "El vascuence en Europa", in V.M. Amado y De Pablo, S. (eds) Los vascos y Europa, Gasteiz, 75-121; (2006) "Protovasco, munda y otros: reconstrucción interna y tipología holística diacrónica", Oihenart 21 2006, 229-322. De ello se deduce que el 85% de las formas vascas (supuestos cognados) son inservibles a efectos comparativos cuando no rozan la falsificación más burda; y no se piense que al menos las comparaciones basadas en el 15% restante son oro de auténtica ley ... habría seguramente mucho que decir ... sobre la antigüedad y orígenes de varios de ellos "It follows 85% of the Basque forms (supposed cognates) are useless for comparison purposes when they don't indicate a coarser falsification; and it shouldn't be thought that at least the comparisons of the remaining 15% are genuine gold ... would certainly have much to say ... about the age and origins of several of them", page 245, footnote 29
    ^ in excess of 50 million pesetas (El País)
    ^ ABC March 6, 2002 Un jefe del 12 de Octubre, entre los seis detenidos por malversar fondos. The audit reached the amount of 860,000 for the first of the five years. The police estimated that the amount for the full five years could be EUR 3.91 million (El Pais March 3, 2002 Detenido el jefe de inmunología del hospital Doce de Octubre. Fuentes policiales cifran en 3,91 millones de euros el desfase en las cuentas del departamento)
    ^ Xavier Bosch (March 23, 2002). "Controversial immunologist faces court case". British Medical Journal 324 (7339): 695. PMC 1122636. PMID 11909779.
    ^ Á. DE C. (17 March 2003). "Los jueces anulan la suspensión del jefe de inmunología del Doce de Octubre". El País. Retrieved April 21, 2011.
    ^ a b Oriol Güell (November 11, 2003). "Un juez suspende 33 meses de empleo y sueldo al jefe de inmunología del Doce de Octubre" (in Spanish). El País. Retrieved July 1, 2011.



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    biste dumm oder tuste nur so hab doch den wiki link gepostet du depp

    brauchst mir jetzt nicht kommen mit "oooh wikipedia" guck gaz unten nach da sind alle quellen aufgelistet



    aber ich bin ma so nett und poste dir alle quellen zu diesem wikieintrag



    ^ "scholar.google.es/scholar?q=Arnaiz-Villena&hl=es&btnG=Buscar&lr=".
    ^ "www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez".
    ^ "Universidad Complutense de Madrid". Retrieved 21 April 2011.
    ^ a b c d e f Arnaiz-Villena A, Elaiwa N, Silvera C, et al. (September 2001). "The origin of Palestinians and their genetic relatedness with other Mediterranean populations". Hum. Immunol. 62 (9): 889–900. doi:10.1016/S0198-8859(01)00288-9. PMID 11543891.
    ^ "The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations" (PDF). Retrieved 21 February 2011.
    ^ Suciu-Foca N, Lewis R (October 2001). "Editorial. Anthropology and genetic markers". Hum. Immunol. 62 (10): 1063. doi:10.1016/S0198-8859(01)00350-0. PMID 11600210.
    ^ Robin McKie (25 November 2001). "Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians". The Observer (The Guardian).
    ^ Shashok K (June 2003). "Pitfalls of editorial miscommunication". BMJ 326 (7401): 1262–4. doi:10.1136/bmj.326.7401.1262. PMC 1126131. PMID 12791749.
    ^ Andrew Goffey, Mercenary molecules: immunology and the holy war. Mediactive, 1 July 2003.
    ^ a b c Arnaiz-Villena A, Gomez-Casado E, Martinez-Laso J (August 2002). "Population genetic relationships between Mediterranean populations determined by HLA allele distribution and a historic perspective". Tissue Antigens 60 (2): 111–21. doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2002.600201.x. PMID 12392505.
    ^ a b c d Arnaiz-Villena A, Dimitroski K, Pacho A, et al. (February 2001). "HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks". Tissue Antigens 57 (2): 118–27. doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2001.057002118.x. PMID 11260506.
    ^ a b c Arnaiz-Villena A, Martinez-Laso J, Alonso-Garciá J (September 2001). "The correlation between languages and genes: the Usko-Mediterranean peoples". Hum. Immunol. 62 (9): 1051–61. doi:10.1016/S0198-8859(01)00300-7. PMID 11543906.
    ^ Arnaiz-Villena A, Karin M, Bendikuze N, et al. (April 2001). "HLA alleles and haplotypes in the Turkish population: relatedness to Kurds, Armenians and other Mediterraneans". Tissue Antigens 57 (4): 308–17. doi:10.1034/j.1399-0039.2001.057004308.x. PMID 11380939.
    ^ "Diana Muir & Paul S. Apelbaum: The Gene Wars, Azure, Winter 5767, 2007, NO. 27".
    ^ a b c Dörk T, El-Harith EH, Stuhrmann M, et al. (August 1998). "Evidence for a common ethnic origin of cystic fibrosis mutation 3120+1G-->A in diverse populations". Am. J. Hum. Genet. 63 (2): 656–62. doi:10.1086/301950. PMC 1377292. PMID 9683582.
    ^ a b Hajjej A, Hmida S, Kaabi H, et al. (2006). "HLA genes in Southern Tunisians (Ghannouch area) and their relationship with other Mediterraneans". Eur J Med Genet 49 (1): 43–56. doi:10.1016/j.ejmg.2005.01.001. PMID 16473309.
    ^ a b Hajjej A, Sellami MH, Kaabi H, et al. (March 2011). "HLA class I and class II polymorphisms in Tunisian Berbers". Ann. Hum. Biol. 38 (2): 156–64. doi:10.3109/03014460.2010.504195. PMID 20666704.
    ^ "MDS plot".
    ^ Ayub et al.; Mansoor, A; Ismail, M; Khaliq, S; Mohyuddin, A; Hameed, A; Mazhar, K; Rehman, S et al. (2003 Nov). "Reconstruction of human evolutionary tree using polymorphic autosomal microsatellites". American Journal of Physical Anthropology 122 (3): 259–68. doi:10.1002/ajpa.10234. PMID 14533184.
    ^ "dendrogram".
    ^ a b "High-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 locus in the Macedonian population".
    ^ Richards et al. (2000), Tracing European Founder Lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA Pool. Am J Hum Genet; 67:1251–1276
    ^ Malaspina et al. (2000) Patterns of Male-specific Inter-population Divergence in Europe, West Asia and North Africa. Ann Hum Genet; 64:395-412
    ^ Weale et al. (2001), Armenian Y chromosome haplotypes reveal strong regional structure within a single ethno-national group, Hum Genet 109:659-674
    ^ Helgason et al. (2000), Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic Ancestry in the Male Settlers of Iceland. Am J Hum Genet; 67:697-717
    ^ Di Giacomo et al. (2003),Clinal Patterns of Human Y chromosomal Diversity in Continental Italy and Greece Are Dominated by Drift and Founder Effects. Mol Phylogenet Evol 28:387-395
    ^ Semino et al. (2004), Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area. Am J Hum Genet. 2004 May; 74(5): 1023–1034.
    ^ Jobling, M.A., Hurles, M.E. and Tyler-Smith, C.. Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples and Disease. 2004. ISBN 978-0-8153-4185-7.
    ^ Christos Karatzios, Stephen G. Miller, Costas D. Triantaphyllidis. (2011-01-10). "Genetics Studies in the Greek Population vs Pseudoscience". Retrieved 2011-02-03.
    ^ Risch N, Piazza A, Cavalli-Sforza LL (January 2002). "Dropped genetics paper lacked scientific merit". Nature 415 (6868): 115. doi:10.1038/415115b. PMID 11805804.
    ^ Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Eduardo Gomez-Casado,& Jorge Martinez-Laso (2002). Single-locus studies. Nature 416, 677 (18 April 2002) Access : Single-locus studies : Nature
    ^ Arnaiz-Villena A, Vargas-Alarcon G, Granados J, Gomez-Casado E, Longas J, Gonzales-Hevilla M, Zuniga J, Salgado N, Hernandez-Pacheco G, Guillen J, Martinez-Laso J.; HLA genes in Mexican Mazatecans, the peopling of the Americas and the uniqueness of Amerindians.
    ^ a b Trask, L. The History of Basque Routledge: 1997 ISBN 0-415-13116-2
    ^ Saltarelli, M. Basque (1988) Croom Helm ISBN 0-415-03681-X
    ^ See for instance the chapter "Cuentos de ciencia ficción" in Alonso and Arnaiz Egipcios, bereberes, guanches y vascos (Madrid, 2000), where they claim that Egyptology "remains anchored in a stark esoterism feeding all sorts of science fiction stories" (sigue anclados en un esoterismo descarnado alimentando toda clase de cuentos de ciencia ficción, p. 443); they make the same claim for Assyriology and Hittitology in "Caucásicos, turcos, mesopotámicos y vascos" (Madrid 2001, p. 355).
    ^ In the accepted translation, the cartouche in question reads "King Ptolemy, living forever, beloved of Ptah" which, according to Arnaiz-Villena, should instead be translated as "cremation-one-if-death-prayer-fire-brotherhood-deceased-sinners-if" in Basque. Arnaiz Villena, Antonio (2007): Lectura de la lengua ibérica
    ^ "there is no trace of laws in the so-called code. The theme is again funereal and religious. Hammurabi is transcribed in Basque AMA-UR-API ('grave in the waters of the mother')" [no hay asomo de leyes en el llamado código. La temática es también funeraria y religiosa. Hammurabi se transcribe en vasco AMA-UR-API ("tumba en las aguas de la madre")]—Caucásicos, turcos, mesopotámicos y vascos, p. 178 and section 4d "El titulado código de Hammurabi (AMA-UR-ABI) y otras 'leyes'", pp. 253–265
    ^ Acta de la reunión de la comisión científico-asesora de Iruña/Veleia [1], despite some isolated attempts to vindicate the Basque words of the inscriptions made by other persons.[2]
    ^ Antonio Arnaiz Villena: Los graffiti en euskera de Iruña Oka y la cultura usko-mediterranea.[3]
    ^ "chopo.pntic.mec.es/~biolmol/publicaciones/Usko.pdf" (PDF).
    ^ Prehistoric Iberia, Antonio Arnaiz-Villena et al., 2000
    ^ Caucásicos, turcos, mesopotámicos y vascos‎, Antonio Arnáiz Villena et al., 2001
    ^ Egipcios, bereberes, guanches y vascos‎, Antonio Arnáiz Villena et al., 2003
    ^ De Hoz Bravo (1999). "Viaje a ninguna parte a través del Mediterráneo. Las lenguas que no hablaron ni iberos, ni etruscos, ni cretenses". Revista de Libros. "es un desastre sin paliativos que en principio no debería ser reseñado [...] carente del más mínimo valor y a contrapelo no ya de la metodología científica más elemental sino del simple sentido común.".
    ^ W. Pichler (2005) "The Libyco-Berber inscriptions of the Canary Islands—misused as a playground for specialists and amateurs", in La Lettre de l’AARS 28:4–5.
    ^ Michelena, L. Fonética Histórica Vasca Publicaciones del Seminario Julio de Urquijo (1961)
    ^ Joseba Lakarra Andrinua (2001) "El vascuence en Europa", in V.M. Amado y De Pablo, S. (eds) Los vascos y Europa, Gasteiz, 75-121; (2006) "Protovasco, munda y otros: reconstrucción interna y tipología holística diacrónica", Oihenart 21 2006, 229-322. De ello se deduce que el 85% de las formas vascas (supuestos cognados) son inservibles a efectos comparativos cuando no rozan la falsificación más burda; y no se piense que al menos las comparaciones basadas en el 15% restante son oro de auténtica ley ... habría seguramente mucho que decir ... sobre la antigüedad y orígenes de varios de ellos "It follows 85% of the Basque forms (supposed cognates) are useless for comparison purposes when they don't indicate a coarser falsification; and it shouldn't be thought that at least the comparisons of the remaining 15% are genuine gold ... would certainly have much to say ... about the age and origins of several of them", page 245, footnote 29
    ^ in excess of 50 million pesetas (El País)
    ^ ABC March 6, 2002 Un jefe del 12 de Octubre, entre los seis detenidos por malversar fondos. The audit reached the amount of 860,000 for the first of the five years. The police estimated that the amount for the full five years could be EUR 3.91 million (El Pais March 3, 2002 Detenido el jefe de inmunología del hospital Doce de Octubre. Fuentes policiales cifran en 3,91 millones de euros el desfase en las cuentas del departamento)
    ^ Xavier Bosch (March 23, 2002). "Controversial immunologist faces court case". British Medical Journal 324 (7339): 695. PMC 1122636. PMID 11909779.
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    viel spass


    muss jetzt los


    Und wo steht das genau, dass Makedoniens Regierung -laut deinen Vorwürfen- dies finanziert hat?

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    Zitat Zitat von Yunan Beitrag anzeigen
    Wenns im eigenen Land mies läuft (seit inzwischen 20 Jahren), dann stochert man bei Anderen rum und nervt sie.
    hm..
    könnte man auch anders darstellen.
    wenn die eigenen nichts berichten und alles unter den tisch kehren, dann tun es halt andere.

    wäre auch eine sichtweise

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    Zitat Zitat von Yunan Beitrag anzeigen
    Wenns im eigenen Land mies läuft (seit inzwischen 20 Jahren), dann stochert man bei Anderen rum und nervt sie.
    Inwiefern soll es mies laufen? Also was ist der Anlass für deine Behauptung?

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    Yunan
    Zitat Zitat von Indianer Beitrag anzeigen
    hm..
    könnte man auch anders darstellen.
    wenn die eigenen nichts berichten und alles unter den tisch kehren, dann tun es halt andere.

    wäre auch eine sichtweise
    Was denn unter den Tisch kehren? Griechische Angelegenheiten bleiben griechische Angelegenheiten und wer sich einmischt, holt sich früher oder später eine Backpfeife ab, mehr nicht.

    Zitat Zitat von benni1 Beitrag anzeigen
    Inwiefern soll es mies laufen? Also was ist der Anlass für deine Behauptung?
    Von allen ehemalig jugoslawischen Ländern hat sich FYROM am wenigsten und insgesamt am langsamsten entwickelt, das ist nun mal so. Ob wir Schulden haben oder nicht, ob wir unser Geld hierfür oder dafür ausgeben, braucht nicht jemanden zu interessieren, in den Griechenland investiert hat und welcher nebenbei ein zwanzig mal kleineres BIP als Griechenland hat.

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    Zitat Zitat von Zoran Beitrag anzeigen
    Und wo steht das genau, dass Makedoniens Regierung -laut deinen Vorwürfen- dies finanziert hat?
    He and his team (including K. Dimitrovski, M. Blagoevska, and V. Zdravkovska from the Institute of Blood Transfusion in Skopje)


    The Arnaiz-Villena Theory: Another Skopjean Myth Exposed and Explained PART I :: History Of Macedonia –


    einfach lesen

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    Zitat Zitat von De_La_GreCo Beitrag anzeigen
    He and his team (including K. Dimitrovski, M. Blagoevska, and V. Zdravkovska from the Institute of Blood Transfusion in Skopje)


    The Arnaiz-Villena Theory: Another Skopjean Myth Exposed and Explained PART I :: History Of Macedonia –


    einfach lesen
    Als Quelle ein griechischer Blog?

    Ist das dein ernst???

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    Zitat Zitat von Zoran Beitrag anzeigen
    Als Quelle ein griechischer Blog?

    Ist das dein ernst???


    im wiki artikel steht das selbe


    Another study was conducted in 2004 at Skopje's University of Ss. Kiril and Metodij, using high-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 according to Arnaiz-Villena's methodology

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    im wiki artikel steht das selbe


    Another study was conducted in 2004 at Skopje's University of Ss. Kiril and Metodij, using high-resolution typing of HLA-DRB1 according to Arnaiz-Villena's methodology


    Wo steht in dem Wikipedia Artikel das Makedoniens Regierung diese Studie finanziert hat?

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