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Srebrenica And the Politics of War Crimes

Erstellt von Mustaffa Murat, 27.11.2008, 17:22 Uhr · 22 Antworten · 1.704 Aufrufe

  1. #11
    Avatar von Ivo2

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    Zitat Zitat von parmenion Beitrag anzeigen
    Bernard Kouchner, Les Guerriers de la Paix (Paris: Grasset, 2004), pp. 372-4.

    Kennst du diesen "luegner"?
    Ich würde dir empfehlen, die Regeln zu lesen. Du leugnest einen, auch von der UNO anerkannten Genozid.

  2. #12
    Šaban
    Haha, ivo hat diesen Serbien lover Gepwnnt

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    Zitat Zitat von Ivo2 Beitrag anzeigen
    Das sind keine UN-Dokumente was du gepostet hast.
    Die Ausführungen sind nicht von croatianhistory.net, sondern von Zerjavic, der akribisch auflistet wie Bulajic lügt.
    Übrigens gibt es eine Stellungnahme zu den Lügen, welche du als UN-Dokumente bezeichnest.
    Ist auch hier gepostet worden.
    So so, der ICTY luegt, wusste ich nicht, aber bitte du kannst weiter deine kroatischen "source" zitieren.


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    Zitat Zitat von Ivo2 Beitrag anzeigen
    Ich würde dir empfehlen, die Regeln zu lesen. Du leugnest einen, auch von der UNO anerkannten Genozid.
    Na warts doch ab bischer habe ich mr. Kuchner und andere zitiert
    Ubrigens hast du nicht geantwortet. Kennst den oder nicht?

  5. #15
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    Zitat Zitat von parmenion Beitrag anzeigen
    Na warts doch ab bischer habe ich mr. Kuchner und andere zitiert
    Ubrigens hast du nicht geantwortet. Kennst den oder nicht?
    Auf was soll ich antworten?
    Übrigens lügst du auch mit dem ICTY bezüglich Srebrenica, auch dort wurden die ca. 8000 anerkannt und es gab auch schon Verurteilungen deswegen. Meine letzte Warnung, du bewegst dich auf sehr dünnem Eis.

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    Zitat Zitat von Ivo2 Beitrag anzeigen
    Auf was soll ich antworten?
    Übrigens lügst du auch mit dem ICTY bezüglich Srebrenica, auch dort wurden die ca. 8000 anerkannt und es gab auch schon Verurteilungen deswegen. Meine letzte Warnung, du bewegst dich auf sehr dünnem Eis.
    Hoer auf zu luegen und komm mit was besseres, drohen kannst woanders. Also argument, gegenargument. Ausserdem mann kann auch uber "genozide" reden, stell dir das mal vor. Auch wenns dir net passt. Wenn du ein Argument hast dan post es wenn nicht geh Fernseh schauen, ich habe dir Kouchner zitiert, hast du was dazu zu sagen oder nicht? Also?

    Edit: Der ICTY sagt das bis zu 5000 Moslem soldaten dort waren, ist das auch ne luege?

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    Zitat Zitat von Ivo2 Beitrag anzeigen
    Du leugnest einen, auch von der UNO anerkannten Genozid.
    Who the fuck is UNO????
    Ihr könnt ja irgend einem Verein glauben. Ich aber habe eine eigene Meinung und lasse mir nichts vorschreiben was ich zu denken habe.

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    Zitat Zitat von parmenion Beitrag anzeigen
    Findings of the Srebrenica Research Group


    into the allegations of events and the background leading up to them, in Srebrenica, Bosnia & Herzegovina, in 1995.


    The Politics of the Srebrenica Massacre*


    By Edward S. Herman

    “Srebrenica” has become the symbol of evil, and specifically Serb evil. It is commonly described as “a horror without parallel in the history of Europe since the Second World War” in which there was a cold-blooded execution “of at least 8,000 Muslim men and boys.” [1] The events in question took place in or near the Bosnian town of Srebrenica between July 10 and 19, 1995, as the Bosnian Serb army (BSA) occupied that town and fought with and killed many Bosnian Muslims, unknown numbers dying in the fighting and by executions. There is no question but that there were executions, and that many Bosnian Muslim men died during the evacuation of Srebrenica and its aftermath. But even though only rarely discussed there is a major issue of how many were executed, as numerous bodies found in local grave sites were victims of fighting, and many Bosnian Muslim men who fled Srebrenica reached Bosnian Muslim territory safely. Some bodies were also those of the many Serbs killed in the forays by the Bosnian Muslims out of Srebrenica in the years before July 1995.

    The Srebrenica massacre has played a special role in the politics of Western treatment of the restructuring of the former-Yugoslavia and in Western interventionism more broadly, and it is receiving renewed attention and memorialization at its tenth anniversary in July 2005. It is regularly cited as proof of Serb evil and genocidal intent and helped justify a focus on punishing the Serbs and Milosevic and NATO’s 1999 war on Serbia. It has also provided important moral support for the further Western wars of vengeance, power projection, and “liberation,” having shown that there is evil that the West can and must deal with forcibly.

    However, there are three matters that should have raised serious questions about the massacre at the time and since, but didn’t and haven’t. One was that the massacre was extremely convenient to the political needs of the Clinton administration, the Bosnian Muslims, and the Croats (see Section 1 below). A second was that there had been (and were after Srebrenica) a series of claimed Serb atrocities, that were regularly brought forth at strategic moments when forcible intervention by the United States and NATO bloc was in the offing but needed some solid public relations support, but which were later shown to be fraudulent (Section 2). A third is that the evidence for a massacre, certainly of one in which 8,000 men and boys were executed, has always been problematic, to say the least (Sections 3 and 4).

    1. Political Convenience

    The events of Srebrenica and claims of a major massacre were extremely helpful to the Clinton administration, the Bosnian Muslim leadership, and Croatian authorities. Clinton was under political pressure in 1995 both from the media and from Bob Dole to take more forceful action in favor of the Bosnian Muslims, [2] and his administration was eager to find a justification for more aggressive policies. Clinton officials rushed to the Srebrenica scene to confirm and publicize the claims of a massacre, just as William Walker did later at Racak in January 1999. Walker’s immediate report to Madeleine Albright caused her to exult that “spring has come early this year.” [3] Srebrenica allowed the “fall to come early” for the Clinton administration in the summer of 1995.

    Bosnian Muslim leaders had been struggling for several years to persuade the NATO powers to intervene more forcibly on their behalf, and there is strong evidence that they were prepared not only to lie but also to sacrifice their own citizens and soldiers to serve the end of inducing intervention (matters discussed further in Section 2). Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at Srebrenica. [4] The abandonment of Srebrenica by a military force much larger than that of the attackers, and a retreat that made that larger force vulnerable and caused it to suffer heavy casualties in fighting and vengeance executions, helped produce numbers that would meet the Clinton criterion, by hook or by crook. There is other evidence that the retreat from Srebrenica was not based on any military necessity but was strategic, with the personnel losses incurred considered a necessary sacrifice for a larger purpose. [5]

    Croatian authorities were also delighted with the claims of a Srebrenica massacre, as this deflected attention from their prior devastating ethnic cleansing of Serbs and Bosnian Muslims in Western Bosnia (almost entirely ignored by the Western media), [6] and it provided a cover for their already planned removal of several hundred thousand Serbs from the Krajina area in Croatia. This massive ethnic cleansing operation was carried out with U.S. approval and logistical support within a month of the Srebrenica events, and it may well have involved the killing of more Serb civilians than Bosnian Muslim civilians killed in the Srebrenica area in July: most of the Bosnian Muslim victims were fighters, not civilians, as the Bosnian Serbs bused the Srebrenica women and children to safety; the Croatians made no such provision and many women, children and old people were slaughtered in Krajina. [7] The ruthlessness of the Croats was impressive: “UN troops watched horrified as Croat soldiers dragged the bodies of dead Serbs along the road outside the UN compound and then pumped them full of rounds from the AK-47s. They then crushed the bullet-ridden bodies under the tracks of a tank.” [8] But this was hardly noticed in the wake of the indignation and propaganda generated around Srebrenica with the aid of the mainstream media, whose co-belligerency role in the Balkan wars was already well-entrenched. [9]

    The International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia (ICTY) and UN also had an important role to play in the consolidation of the standard Srebrenica massacre narrative. From its inception the ICTY served as an arm of the NATO powers, who created it, funded it, served as its police arm and main information source, and expected and got responsive service from the organization. [10] The ICTY focused intensively on Srebrenica and provided important and nominally independent corroboration of the massacre claims along with citable “judicial” claims of planned “genocide.” The UN is less thoroughly integrated into NATO-power demands, but it is highly responsive and in the Srebrenica case it came through just as the United States and its main allies desired. [11]

    This political interest in the Srebrenica massacre hardly proves that the establishment narrative is wrong. It does, however, suggest the need for caution and an awareness of the possibility of falsification and inflated claims. That awareness has been entirely absent from mainstream treatment of Srebrenica.

    edward s. herman, der neben bei rein zufälliger weise auch ab und zu mal den holocaust relativiert.

    in gute und passende gesellschaft habt ihr euch da begeben ihr cetnikschweine.

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    When the Bosnian Serbs captured Srebrenica in July 1995, it was reported that the 28th regiment of the Bosnian Muslim Army (BMA), comprising several thousand men, had just fled the town....steht ausser anderem auch in:

    Politics of War Crimes, chaps 2-3. The UN estimated that there had been 3-4,000 Bosnian Muslim soldiers in Srebrenica just before its fall

    P.S. Auch wenn du mich 10 mal verwarnst kannst du nichts daran aendern. Deine verwarnung ist gemaess deinem denken und nicht gemaess den regeln.

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    When the Bosnian Serbs captured Srebrenica in July 1995, it was reported that the 28th regiment of the Bosnian Muslim Army (BMA), comprising several thousand men, had just fled the town....steht ausser anderem auch in:

    Politics of War Crimes, chaps 2-3. The UN estimated that there had been 3-4,000 Bosnian Muslim soldiers in Srebrenica just before its fall

    P.S. Auch wenn du mich 10 mal verwarnst kannst du nichts daran aendern. Deine verwarnung ist gemaess deinem denken und nicht gemaess den regeln.

    die "bücher", oder besser gesagt lügenansammlungen deiner hitlerfreunde sind für normale menschen nicht relevant.

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