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Tadic entschuldigt sich bei kroatischen Kriegsopfern

Erstellt von Grasdackel, 23.06.2007, 19:43 Uhr · 123 Antworten · 4.896 Aufrufe

  1. #71
    Avatar von Zurich

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    Zitat Zitat von Vodka_i_Džin Beitrag anzeigen
    na ja, da se ni(t)ko ne buni, ja bih rek(a)o na Crnogorskom.
    Nix Crnogorski:
    Crnski i Gorski su dva podpuno razlicita jezika.



    Wie in Top Lista Nadrealista: "Oprostite, prevedite to na Hercegovacki. Ja vas nikako nerazumijem."

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    Zitat Zitat von Zurich Beitrag anzeigen
    Nix Crnogorski:
    Crnski i Gorski su dva podpuno razlicita jezika.



    Wie in Top Lista Nadrealista: "Oprostite, prevedite to na Hercegovacki. Ja vas nikako nerazumijem."
    was ist daran schwer zu verstehen ist ja ganz einfach.

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    was soll die entschuldigung serbien soll lieber reperationen zahlen

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    Zitat Zitat von Zurich Beitrag anzeigen
    @ Schiptar
    Ich kann mich eigentlich nur wiederholen. Aber was solls. Du hast in der Balkanpolitik deine Einstellung und ich glaube nicht, dass ich die irgendwie ändern kann. Ja nu.... jeder ist halt anders.
    Hvala takodjer.

    Zitat Zitat von Zurich Beitrag anzeigen
    Ich kenne hier in Zürich viele Deutsche die in Sachen Balkanpolitik anders denken.
    Und ich kenne ein paar ganz wenige Serben, die so ähnlich darüber denken wie ich. Vor denen hab ich sehr großen Respekt, denn bei einer nationalistischen Erziehung eine kritische Haltung zum eigenen Land zu entwickeln, ist nicht einfach.
    Viel einfacher ist hingegen der Weg irgendwelcher Handke-Elsässer-Deutschen von der Wahrnehmung der deutschen Schuld hin zur unkritischen Unterstützung der serbischen Seite.

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    Zitat Zitat von Cigo Beitrag anzeigen
    was soll die entschuldigung serbien soll lieber reperationen zahlen
    Fass mal 'nem nackten Mann in die Hosentasche, du geldgeiler Schwabe!
    Für die Zukunft der Region sind solche moralischen Eingeständnisse viel, viel wichtiger.

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    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar Beitrag anzeigen
    Fass mal 'nem nackten Mann in die Hosentasche, du geldgeiler Schwabe!
    Für die Zukunft der Region sind solche moralischen Eingeständnisse viel, viel wichtiger.
    ruhe badenser

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    duscht ihr beide eigentilch auch zusammen?

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    Zitat Zitat von sonnyliston22 Beitrag anzeigen
    duscht ihr beide eigentilch auch zusammen?
    Nein, es gibt nichts zum Spannen. Musst dich weiterhin mit Legijas Homevideo-Collection begnügen...

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    Tadic's apology to Croats sparks different reactions in Zagreb, Belgrade

    25/06/2007

    ZAGREB, Croatia -- Serbian President Boris Tadic's apology to Croats for war-related hardships has prompted different reactions in Croatia and Serbia, according to the regional media. The apology, offered during a weekend TV interview in Zagreb where Tadic was attending a regional energy summit, was the first offered by a senior Serbian official. Croatian President Stipe Mesic said it was especially significant, as the former Serbian regime of Slobodan Milosevic had caused the greatest losses to all [in the former Yugoslavia], including Serbs. Zoran Milanovic, leader of the main opposition Social Democratic Party, also praised Tadic's statement as evidence of new leadership in Serbia.
    In Belgrade, the apology was sharply criticised by the ultranationalist Serbian Radical Party and Milosevic's Socialist Party of Serbia. The G17 Plus party, however, welcomed it, saying it would help boost bilateral ties and overcome the past. (Politika - 25/06/07; HRT, Tanjug, B92 - 24/06/07)

    Quelle: SE Times
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    Hab ich von diesen nationalistischen Arschgeigen von der SRS und SPS auch nicht anders erwartet...

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    Tadić: I was obligated to apologize

    25 June 2007 | 09:54 -> 12:58 | Source: Beta

    ZAGREB, BELGRADE -- President Boris Tadić said that offering an apology to Croatian citizens was an obligation he had. Answering to the criticism he received Sunday for making an apology to Croatia for the war crimes committed in Serbia’s name during the war, Tadić said that there were institutions in every country that are obligated to accept responsibility in various cases for what has been done in the past in the name of the people. Tadić said that this was his obligation and that this is why he offered the apology. He also mentioned Serbia’s increased cooperation with the Hague-based war crimes Tribunal, citing the recent arrests of Tolimir and Đorđević. “It is obvious that cooperation between regional services can ensure successful cooperation with the Tribunal, and it is even clearer that all fugitives were not residing in Serbia in the meantime,” Tadić said.

    Political parties, NGOs react to Tadić’s apology

    President Boris Tadić’s apology has given rise to various reactions by political parties and non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Boris Tadić is the first Serbian leader who offered apology to citizens of Croatia. He made a similar gesture at the beginning of his mandate in 2004 while visiting Sarajevo, Bosnia. So far only G17 Plus unambiguously welcomed Tadić’s statement, as party official Snežana Stojanović told Beta news agency that “what Tadić did constituted a good gesture of a statesman,” stressing that Serbian society had to cope with its past, acknowledge, individualize and condemn crimes committed in the 1990s wars. According to her, the gesture was good for promoting friendship with regional countries. “Serbia must leave its past behind so as to move forward and deal with concrete issues relevant to everyday life of its citizens,” she said.
    Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) leader Čedomir Jovanović said he was not against Tadić’s apology, stressing on the other hand that words were not enough. “Relations between Serbia and Croatia were impaired by politics stemming from the wrong value system still persisting in Serbia,” he said.
    New Serbia (NS) Vice-President Dubravka Filipovski said that all participants in the 1990s war had to apologize so as to enable building of “clean relations” in the region, since “crimes were not committed by Serbs only.”
    On the other hand, Serb radical Party (SRS) General-Secretary Aleksandar Vučić lashed out at Tadić’s gesture, deeming it “disgraceful.” “Tadić apologized to the Croats for 700,000 people killed in Jasenovac concentration camp, for half a million people expelled from Krajina and western Slavonia. He apologized for the operations Storm and Flash, the biggest genocide in Europe since WWII,” he stressed.
    The Socialist Party of Serbia (SPS) official Žarko Obradović saw the apology as “a major disappointment,” with which Tadić “owned up to something that did not actually happen.” He told Beta that expulsion of Serbs and other occurrences in the 1990s were constantly being played down in comparison to a need to make Serbia apologize to all former Yugoslav countries for crimes they did not commit.
    As for nongovernmental organizations operating in Serbia, three, including the Humanitarian Law Center, the Helsinki Board for Human Rights and the Igman Initiative, greeted the president’s gesture, saying it represented the most serious apology ever heard from Serbia, which would contribute to improved relations between Serbia and Croatia and reconciliation with the past.

    Quelle: B92
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    Tadić: Izvinjenje je dužnost

    25. jun 2007. | 08:46 -> 17:31 | Izvor: FoNet, Beta

    Zagreb, Beograd -- Predsednik Srbije Boris Tadić kaže da se izvinio građanima Hrvatske jer mu to nalaže dužnost.


    Boris Tadić (FoNet, arhiva) Odgovarajući na kritike koje su mu upućene zbog izvinjenja za zločine nad hrvatskim stanovništvom u proteklom ratu, koje je izneo juče, Tadić je izjavio da u svakoj zemlji postoje institucije kojima dužnost nalaže da u određenim situacijama prihvate odgovornost za ono što se među narodima dve države događalo u prošlosti. "Ja sam to u tom smislu i učinio", izjavio je Tadić.

    Tadić je rekao da Srbija sarađuje s Haškim tribunalom i naveo primer Tolimira i Đorđevića, nedavno izručenih Haškom sudu. "Nedvosmisleno je i da saradnja službi u regionu može da obezbedi uspešnu saradnju s Tribunalom, a još je jasnije da svi optuženi nisu u međuvremenu bili samo u Srbiji", rekao je Tadić.


    DSS: Bez komentara

    Portparol Demokratske stranke Srbije Andreja Mladenović nije želeo da komentariše izvinjenje predsednika Srbije Borisa Tadića hrvatskom narodu.

    "Nemam nameru da komentarišem šta je predsednik Republike izjavljivao. To je njegov stav, a on je za svoje stavove odgovoran prema građanima koje predstavlja, a koji su ga izabrali na neposrednim izborima", rekao je Mladenović.

    Na pitanje da li je izvinjenje koje je uputio Tadić učinjeno u ime vladajuće koalicije, Mladenović je odgovorio da je Tadić izabran neposredno, da nije deo koalicije i da njegove aktivnosti nemaju nikakve veze sa koalicijom.

    Portparol DSS-a je kazao da ta stranka osuđuje sve zločine koji su se devedesetih godina desili na prostoru bivše Jugoslavije i istakao da je to nabolji pristup zločinima i zlu koje je učinjeno svim narodima.

    Navodeći da DSS nema selektivan pristup zločinima, Mladenović je rekao da treba utvrditi istinu o prošlosti, sanirati štete i omogućiti proteranima da se vrate, kako bi se nastavio razvoj dobrosusedskih odnosa.


    Mesić: U pravo vreme

    Hrvatski predsednik Stjepan Mesić izjavio je da je izvinjenje predsednika Srbije Borisa Tadića pripadnicima hrvatskog naroda za događaje iz nedavne prošlosti stiglo "u pravo vreme".

    "Dobro je da se izvinio svima kojima su pripadnici njegovog naroda nanijeli zlo", rekao je Mesić.

    Predsednik Socijaldemokratske partije Zoran Milanović takođe je pozdravio izvinjenje predsednika Srbije Borisa Tadića građanima Hrvatske i rekao da je očigledno da u Srbiji "dolaze ljudi novog duha, što je dobro".

    S druge strane, predsednik Hrvatske stranke prava Anto Đapić rekao je da je izvinjenje dobrodošlo, ali da nije dovoljno.

    "Biće ružno, ali ne i neočekvano, ako na dan Oluje čujemo od Srbije da je ta akcija zločin koji nije bio kažnjen. I dalje sam rezervisan u vezi svega što dolazi iz Beograda", rekao je Đapić.


    "Jedinstven gest"

    Neki listovi u Nemačkoj izvestili su o izvinjenju koje je u ime srpskog naroda žrtvama rata u Hrvatskoj uputio predsednik Srbije Boris Tadić.

    Uticajni konzervativni Frankfurter algemajne cajtung Tadiću pripisuje manje dobre namere, ali i veštu političku kalkulaciju. List navodi da je, "moralno gledano, za izvinjenje bilo krajnje vreme, ali da je politički trenutak vešto iskalkulisan".

    Navodi se da u vezi sa određivanjem statusa Kosova "Tadiću ne treba samo blagonaklonost predsednika Rusije Vladimira Putina, koji je kao kum Srba bio na Energetskom samitu u Zagrebu", već i "razumevanje ili, u najmanju ruku, blagonaklona neutralnost susednih država čiju neposrednu podršku neće dobiti".

    "Politika i moral tesno su povezani, ništa manje i politika i energija. Kosovo je vredno srpskog izvinjenja kod Hrvata, tim više što je praćeno diskretnim ruskim nagoveštajima o energetskoj zavisnosti regiona", ocenjuje list.

    Zidojče cajtung podseća na slična izvinjenja predsednika Hrvatske Stjepana Mesića i bivšeg predsednika Srbije i Crne Gore Svetozara Marovića i ističe da postoje i dela, koja su za pomirenje značajnija nego reči".

    "Ali, politički interesi ostaju kao prepreka. Pošto je Međunarodni sud pravde Srbiju oslobodio optužbe za genocid, političari Bošnjaka sada još žešće osporavaju Republici Srpskoj pravo na postojanje. To objašnjavaju potvrđenim genocidom u Srebrenici. Rat se nastavlja pripisivanjem krivice, pa izvinjenja nikada ne mogu da budu štetna", ocenjuje list.

    Quelle: B92

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