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Video und Bilder, welche die Welt NICHT schocken...

Erstellt von Partibrejker, 13.06.2005, 18:00 Uhr · 51 Antworten · 3.037 Aufrufe

  1. #11

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    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    Aber warum heißt diese Photoreihe "Srebrenica Massacre"? Ich sehe das als impliziten Versuch, die Verbrechen von Srebrenica '95 zu relativieren. Hier haben wir z.B. ein Photo aus Sarajevo:
    http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/018.shtml (Was hat das in dieser Reihe verloren?)
    Daher kommt das Ganze leider ein bißchen so rüber, als wolle man hiermit generell so etwas ähnliches aussagen wie: "Die Muslime waren die wahren Verbrecher!", oder zumindest: "Die Muslime waren genauso schlimm!"
    ...und gesellschaftliche Fortschritte erreicht man meiner Meinung nach eben nicht damit, daß man immer nur auf die Verbrechen anderer verweist!
    Ich fände es ekelhaft bei so was damit anzufangen, Opferzahlen gegeneinander aufzurechnen, als würde das was am schrecklichen Schicksal jedes einzelnen getöteten Menschen, egal welcher Volksgruppe, ändern.
    Nasir Oric war vor dem serbischen "Srebrenica" in dieser Region taetig...und die Bilder und das Video zeigen seine Taten und was da bevor geschah...

    Im uebrigen habe ich gelesen, dass diese 6 Muslimen nicht in Srebrenica umgebracht wurden....sondern in der Naehe von Jahorina...was ca. 100 km entfernt von Srebrenica liegt....

  2. #12
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    Zitat Zitat von YUGO55
    jaja der pogromserbe allein tötet den balkan. ma ko ih jebe
    Ich seh's halt so, ein getöteter Serbe hebt nicht einen getöten Bosnier, Kroaten oder Albaner auf. Die ganze inhumane Scheiße addiert sich einfach und geht aufs gemeinsame Konto aller Verbrecher, die diesen Krieg angefangen, angeheizt oder von ihm profitiert haben.

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    Zitat Zitat von Partibrejker
    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    Aber warum heißt diese Photoreihe "Srebrenica Massacre"? Ich sehe das als impliziten Versuch, die Verbrechen von Srebrenica '95 zu relativieren. Hier haben wir z.B. ein Photo aus Sarajevo:
    http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/018.shtml (Was hat das in dieser Reihe verloren?)
    Daher kommt das Ganze leider ein bißchen so rüber, als wolle man hiermit generell so etwas ähnliches aussagen wie: "Die Muslime waren die wahren Verbrecher!", oder zumindest: "Die Muslime waren genauso schlimm!"
    ...und gesellschaftliche Fortschritte erreicht man meiner Meinung nach eben nicht damit, daß man immer nur auf die Verbrechen anderer verweist!
    Ich fände es ekelhaft bei so was damit anzufangen, Opferzahlen gegeneinander aufzurechnen, als würde das was am schrecklichen Schicksal jedes einzelnen getöteten Menschen, egal welcher Volksgruppe, ändern.
    Nasir Oric war vor dem serbischen "Srebrenica" in dieser Region taetig...und die Bilder und das Video zeigen seine Taten und was da bevor geschah...
    Das war mir durchaus klar, daß das damit ausgesagt werden sollte.

  4. #14
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    Auf jeden Fall wurde damals vieles vom Westen gefälscht und die Morde an den Serben durch Naser Oric unterschlagen. siehe ITCY Anklage gegen Naser Oric.

    Overview

    July 11 is the tenth anniversary of the recapture of the East Bosnian town of Srebrenica by Bosnian Serb troops. In coming weeks we will be sending you a number of pieces challenging the official story about Srebrenica. According to the official account, after the Serbs re-took Srebrenica, they slaughtered 8000 Muslim men.

    Why should people read articles challenging this massacre story? After all, it's consistent with what one has been told: that Srebrenica was a safe haven where the UN was supposed to protect Muslims from supposedly murderous Serbs; that the Muslims, portrayed in the media as an oppressed group, were moderate and tolerant while the Serbs were supposedly fanatical Muslim-haters with a Hitlerian vision of a mono-ethnic state; that therefore it was no surprise that when the Serbs took Srebrenica, they supposedly killed thousands of Muslims as fast as they could.

    Why should you read material challenging the Srebrenica massacre story when you, dear reader, have limited time and you may have read nothing in the media that would cast doubt on any of the above?

    My answer is, that is precisely why you should be skeptical about the massacre story.

    Permit me to explain.

    The credibility of the official massacre story depends on the credibility of media coverage of Yugoslavia in general and of what happened in Eastern Bosnia, including Srebrenica, in particular. If that coverage has been objective, why should one entertain the possibility that the entire media has manufactured or gone along with lies about a supposed giant massacre?

    How might the media objectively cover a bitter conflict like the one in Bosnia? First, it would endeavor to fairly report what each side said, giving them equal time. Then it would investigate claims. For example, if each side accused the other of spreading hate propaganda, the media might publish each side’s claims and then compare those claims to samples of each side’s propaganda, both written material and what was said at rallies and in mass meetings. If each accused the other of atrocities, the media could publish the accounts of both sides, and then do hard investigative work to see who - if anyone - was telling the truth. It would hunt for lies, because what people lie about is most revealing.

    If you are like most, you have no idea what the Serbs said about what happened in and around Srebrenica from the time the Bosnian war started in the spring of 1992 until the so-called fall of Srebrenica in 1995. No idea at all. And therein lies the evidence that the media cannot be trusted about Srebrenica: because in fact, the Serbs said, and published, a great deal about Muslim extremist atrocities against them, but the Western media published virtually none of it. What was published by the Western media stands out for the same reason that gold stands out, because it is rare.

    For the Western media to have lied for the past ten years about Srebrenica assumes that the media has been organized, by whatever means, to distort information. It is hard - and rather awful - to believe that such a level of organization for lying could exist. But exactly the same level of organization is required in order for the entire media not to have sought out Serbian eye-witness accounts and human interest stories, to have suppressed almost all evidence of funerals of Serb victims, news reports in the Serbian media, documents and photographs distributed by the government of Serbia and by the Bosnian Serb government and army, and so on. The public is unaware of the existence of such data because the media has suppressed almost all of it. You, by the very fact that you have not seen this material, are living proof.

    Let me give you an example.

    In June 1993 the United Nations published a 132-page report entitled “Memorandum on War Crimes and Crimes of Genocide in Eastern Bosnia (communes of Bratunac, Skelani and Srebrenica) committed against the Serbian population from April 1992 to April 1993.” Note the dates: April 1992 was the very beginning of the war in Bosnia. The Serbs charged that from the outset of the war the so-called Bosnian government (they say it was a government run by a faction of Muslims, the extremist faction) had a policy of genocide against Serbs.

    You never heard of this document? I am not surprised. I checked with the Lexis-Nexis media search engine. I could not find a single English-language newspaper or TV news program that reported that it existed.

    Well, one might say, the UN document might be entirely false. And that is correct, it might be false. But you know, it also might be 100% true. And it might be something in between. Or then again, it might be understated. The Serbs might have been afraid that if they told the whole truth, nobody would believe them.

    The point is, in order for the public to come to any judgment about the accuracy of this UN document, it had to know the document existed and what was in it. To that end, the media of course should have reported the existence of said document and what it charged, with extensive quotations in newspapers of record such as the New York Times, and it should have seriously investigated the horrific charges.

    The undeniable fact that most people, at least (but not only) in the NATO countries, are completely ignorant of what the Serbs wrote and said about Muslim extremist crimes against Serbs in Eastern Bosnia, including Srebrenica, is sufficient to make a prima facie case that media reporting concerning Eastern Bosnia, including Srebrenica, has been anti-Serb propaganda, not news. Thus there is every reason for you to be skeptical concerning media claims about a supposed huge massacre by Serbs in Srebrenica. By suppressing virtually everything said and written by the Serbian side in the bitter Bosnian conflict, the media has perjured itself. Would you accept, on faith, the word of a perjured witness?

    Below are links to the pdf files of the UN report so that you may read it, only 12 years late.

    Jared Israel
    Editor, Emperor’s Clothes

    http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm


    Memorandum on War Crimes and Crimes of Genocide in Eastern Bosnia (communes of Bratunac, Skelani and Srebrenica) committed against the Serbian population from April 1992 to April 1993.

    A/46/171 and S/25635

    Item 115 (c) of the preliminary list
    Human Rights Questions: Human Rights Situations and Reports of Special Rapporteurs and Representatives

    2 June 1993

    Note: Four sections of the UN document repeat the same three introductory pages, followed by the appropriate texts.

    ================================================== =======

    Comments by Petar Makara
    Consulting Editor, Emperor's Clothes

    The horror that Bosnian Serbs suffered at the hands of Muslims in the vicinity of Srebrenica is no secret. The Yugoslav State Commission for War Crimes submitted a 132 page study presenting this Serbian suffering as early as May 24, 1993 to the United Nations Security Council. Representatives of Republika Srpska (the Bosnian Serb Republic) were not allowed to submit similar documents because Republika Srpska was not recognized by the United Nations. Yugoslavia, as a UN member state (since 1945) and one of its founding nations, was allowed to submit this document.

    The Security Council admitted the study as an official United Nations document. The document was given UN id numbers A/46/171 and S/25635 and dated 2 June 1995.

    Many UN documents, crucial for understanding the civil wars in Bosnia in 1990's, were, on American insistence, declared classified. But this document was not. Its distribution was marked "General." Any Western journalist could have stopped by room GA57 in the basement of the U.N. Building at the corner of 46th Street and 1st Ave. in New York and gotten a copy. Or they could just called the U.N. Public Inquiry Office at (212) 963-4475 and ordered it.

    If the contents of this document are false, why didn't the Western media report it and refute it? Its suppression eloquently proclaims its validity and the dishonesty of the media that suppressed the very news of its existence.........................

    http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm#doc

  5. #15

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    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    Das war mir durchaus klar, daß das damit ausgesagt werden sollte.
    Stell dir mal vor, diese Bilder wuerden veroeffentlicht....und mit "veroeffentlicht" meine ich in den "Mainstream"-Medien...

  6. #16
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    Zitat Zitat von Partibrejker
    Zitat Zitat von Schiptar
    Das war mir durchaus klar, daß das damit ausgesagt werden sollte.
    Stell dir mal vor, diese Bilder wuerden veroeffentlicht....und mit "veroeffentlicht" meine ich in den "Mainstream"-Medien...
    Ich glaube, außer in den Ländern, die eh traditionell eher proserbisch ausgerichtet sind, würde das kein großes Echo geben. Die dumpfe Öffentlichkeit in D'land z.B., die würde das höchstens ein bißchen verwirren, daß auch Serben in großer Zahl Opfer waren, aber einen großen Meinungsumschwung würde das nicht bewirken, höchstens eine noch größere Ablehnung des ganzen Balkankomplexes an sich und damit verbunden eine größere Gleichgültigkeit...

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    Serb beheading picture published

    A Serb newspaper has published a picture of a Bosnian Muslim soldier beheading a Serb prisoner.

    The image was taken from a private video shot in the 1990s during the war.

    The international war crimes tribunal in The Hague has denied the paper's claims that the court refused to show the film because of its brutality.

    The publication comes a week after Serbian TV broadcast a video of Serb paramilitaries executing Muslim prisoners in Srebrenica 10 years ago.

    That video was screened at the international tribunal.

    At least 12 of the Serb paramilitaries featured in it have since been arrested.

    Correspondents say the footage shocked many Serbs who had previously denied that the massacre took place.

    The Belgrade newspaper, Vecernje Novosti published a picture showing the beheading of Ensign Rade Rogic from Sanski Most.

    The paper says its journalists were able to view private video footage of the 505th Buzim Brigade of the Bosnian government army showing heaps of mutilated bodies, torched villages and the killing of Ensign Rogic.

    The paper said the tape was not fit for broadcasting.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4095712.stm

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    Serbian researchers say more than 3,000 Serbs killed in wartime Srebrenica

    Jun 14, 2005, 19:55 GMT

    Belgrade, 14 June: The Belgrade Centre for Researching Crimes against Serbs has found out that 3,227 Serbs were killed or died as a result of torture in the area of the municipality of Srebrenica between 1992 and 1995, and that these are not the final figures, Centre president Milivoje Ivanisevic has said.

    According to the Centre's data, "in Srebrenica itself 469 criminals killed 446 Serbs, in Bratunac 254 criminals killed 447 Serbs, while in Zvornik 100 criminals killed 954 Serbs".

    Ivanisevic told [the Belgrade daily] Vecernje novosti that "every black figure and every name - of victims as well as criminals - is backed by evidence".

    This evidence includes photographs, eyewitness testimony, statements from relatives, municipal death certificates, data on cemetery plots, and priests' diaries.

    "We have all the evidence, and we are also filing descriptions of the crimes and monstrous historical facts. There is no way that someone who is alive could appear on our lists of the dead," Ivanisevic said.

    He added that people from the Hague tribunal had come to the Centre to obtain evidence for the trial of [wartime Srebrenica Muslim commander and former Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic's security guard] Naser Oric.

    The Centre's archive is divided into sections corresponding to every village and every town in Bosnia-Hercegovina.

    BBC Mon EU1 EuroPol bk

    Copyright 2005 BBC Monitoring Service distributed by United Press International

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    words that would shock the mainstreem

  10. #20
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    da ich eh nicht mehr in deutschland bin und diese themen so leidig sind, nur kurz und das wars wieder von mir.
    sta je ovo parti brate? de se PRIJE nego sto nesto tvrdis malo informisi kako treba. mozda bi onda znao (ali sumnjam da bi spomenuo) da naser nije heroj u bosni kod velikog dijela ljudi jer se u bosni i njegovim zlocinima vec prije par godina pisalo u listovima kao dani, slobodna bosna i tako dalje. kao drugo, ta komisija kaju ti citiras je otprilike tako objektivna kao kad u palestini izadu statistike koliko je pelstinaca umrlo i samo se kaze da su svi bili ubijeni sa strane izraela. fino uzmi stvari, odleti u sarajevo i tamo odes u institucije koje imaju spisak zrtava sarajeva. e tacno u tim listama ces naci jedno pola imena od tih preko 3000 srba, a te liste su vodene od "nase" strane, to su srbi koji su ubijeni kroz srpske granate.
    ali ne brini, znam vec sada sta ce biti odgovor: to je sve nastimano. samo nastavi tako zivit, onda je barem cista savjest ako se samo brine o svojoj strani.
    de molim te jos nesto od balkanpeace. to je ona druga visoko informativna stranica vodena od jednog obicnog jebenog studenta prava. pa onda naleti mozda neki musliman koji dakazuje stvari sa informacijama islamske zajednice. i fino imamo svi isti nivo.

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